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#1 User is offline   tHeWiZaRdOfDoS 

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Post icon  Posted 05 February 2006 - 11:05 AM

Hi there,

reading in the forums one of the most popular requests is to lower the number of opened slots because for high speed lines it's *extremely* annoying to upload to 50+ Clients at a low speed, increasing the concurrent connections...
So I want to ask the devs to put in one/all of the following:


Slot focus:
Concentrate upload on as few clients as possible, automatically lowering the number of opened slots :thumbup:


Adjustable/automatically adjusting Clientdatarate:
This is a *very* small change and easy to code but it's pretty effective.
Raising the datarate from the default 3kB to e.g. 10kB for higher speed lines will save 2/3 of their opened slots and no bandwidth will be lost because if the upload isn't saturated more slots can still be opened :flowers:
Also possible to add some kind of automatic detection, e.g.
3kB for <= 10kB UL ~ 3-4 Slots
5kB for <= 20kB UL ~ 4 Slots
9kB for <= 30kB UL ~ 3-4 Slots
and so on... so no one could "misconfigure" his client :-k


Timelimit before opening a new slot:
It's *pretty* annoying that eMule currently opens a new slot if you get below the set uploadlimit for a very short time. I suggest adding a "open slot blocker" for ~5-15 seconds - if the upload is still not saturated then a new slot is opened :-k



All features are already available in some mods and more or less usable so there would only be some testing required... it would really help the highspeed clients because having 250 active connections of which 200 are upload slots isn't a funny thing at all :cool2:
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 09:34 PM

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Feb 5 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

Hi there,

reading in the forums one of the most popular requests is to lower the number of opened slots because for high speed lines it's *extremely* annoying to upload to 50+ Clients at a low speed, increasing the concurrent connections...
So I want to ask the devs to put in one/all of the following:


Slot focus:
Concentrate upload on as few clients as possible, automatically lowering the number of opened slots :thumbup:


Adjustable/automatically adjusting Clientdatarate:
This is a *very* small change and easy to code but it's pretty effective.
Raising the datarate from the default 3kB to e.g. 10kB for higher speed lines will save 2/3 of their opened slots and no bandwidth will be lost because if the upload isn't saturated more slots can still be opened :flowers:
Also possible to add some kind of automatic detection, e.g.
3kB for <= 10kB UL ~ 3-4 Slots
5kB for <= 20kB UL ~ 4 Slots
9kB for <= 30kB UL ~ 3-4 Slots
and so on... so no one could "misconfigure" his client :-k


Timelimit before opening a new slot:
It's *pretty* annoying that eMule currently opens a new slot if you get below the set uploadlimit for a very short time. I suggest adding a "open slot blocker" for ~5-15 seconds - if the upload is still not saturated then a new slot is opened :-k



All features are already available in some mods and more or less usable so there would only be some testing required... it would really help the highspeed clients because having 250 active connections of which 200 are upload slots isn't a funny thing at all :cool2:
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Probably we should have number of upload slot configurable as any other connection parameter. Estimated upload speed can be calculated from requested number of upload slots and upload limit. First-time run wizard can configure eMule as you propose.

In this case each eMule-er (;)) can configure favorite pet without needs to re-compile it.

What you think about?
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 09:55 PM

No - bad idea - I intentionally did not mention that one... the big problem is: most users have no idea what to set and don't care either.
The official client can already be used to leech easily, don't make it any easier...

For example: Your upload capacity is 100kB - now you want to spread very fast and set a max of 2 slots.
This *might* work if you have some clients in your upload who can take it but take a worst-case scenario, e.g. 2 modem/ISDN users who are ALREADY downloading from someone else... they will take ~1-2kB each - that's 2-4kB in total and the remaining 96kB are wasted because no more slots are opened.
That's why I proposed to put in an adjustable datarate - this will try to upload the amount you enter per client but if it fails, it will open another slot.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:43 PM

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Feb 5 2006, 12:05 PM, said:

Timelimit before opening a new slot:
It's *pretty* annoying that eMule currently opens a new slot if you get below the set uploadlimit for a very short time. I suggest adding a "open slot blocker" for ~5-15 seconds - if the upload is still not saturated then a new slot is opened :-k

I quote this particulary. :)
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 11:59 AM

Yes, this plus forcing people to raise their UL. At least strict 1:1 ratio.

Its fun to watch the statistics window... U never see the the line for total upload in the connections window... it goes only to one hundred clients...
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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:46 PM

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 04:41 PM

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 08:42 PM

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This *might* work if you have some clients in your upload who can take it but take a worst-case scenario, e.g. 2 modem/ISDN users who are ALREADY downloading from someone else... they will take ~1-2kB each - that's 2-4kB in total and the remaining 96kB are wasted because no more slots are opened.


Set a minimum hardlimit for slots, 4 or 5 slots.
Then open slots every 3sec untill it reachs the max speed limit.

a little simulation, max upload 100kBps
open 4 slots.
3sec latter, 30kBps, open another slots (5)
3sec latter, 55kBps, open another (6)
3sec latter, 95kBps, open another (7)
3sec latter, 100kBps, it's ok.
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 04:20 AM

The point is that when the fast downloaders have been served the slow ones remain until new fast downloaders connect. If you want to get rid of slow downloaders you need to give them a constant feed until they go away - otherwise they'll be cluttering your queue forever, while thy 'gather into packs' so occasionally you'll also find that the next 20-30 clients are slow.

This post has been edited by slowsilver: 17 February 2006 - 04:21 AM

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 09:56 AM

hmmm. I've looked for a way to set higher per-slot upload rates, but not found. Emule simply divides the total available upload bandwidth by the number of uploaders until it reaches 3.5 or so, after which it stops adding slots. I noticed that there's often an extra greyed out slot going at a few hubdred bytes in "standby". I think the logic is here, that the moment an upload is complete or someone disconnects, the standby person gets promoted. At occasions i've only had few uploaders...at that case it became total bandwidth available divided by few, e.g. 16 / 2 becoming 8. That is, if the uploader has broadband, else full available would not even be used.

To sum my needs, i'd prefer to give e.g. 8 to less over 3 to many......but same time no desire to call on a big rewrite if its not practical for the net-management.

EDIT TO MY ORIGNAL POST FEB.18.06, DONE ON MAR.03.06

I happen to stumble on an setting in Expanded/Advance Settings (translation from Dutch). Down the bottom of the 50 or so options there's a line "Lowest Allowed Sending Speed" of the Upload Sensory section...you can do the sums on the total upload speed you allow eMule, divided by the desired minimum speed of each upload slot. E.G. if you want the max total to be 16 and the maximum slots 4, set lowest upload speed to 4. If the total of the 4 dont acquire 16, further slots will be opened to maximise the total available upload speed, but that i think is fine.

This post has been edited by RobertosEmule: 02 March 2006 - 08:39 PM

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Posted 18 February 2006 - 10:48 AM

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Feb 5 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

Slot focus:
Concentrate upload on as few clients as possible, automatically lowering the number of opened slots :thumbup:


Adjustable/automatically adjusting Clientdatarate:
This is a *very* small change and easy to code but it's pretty effective.

Timelimit before opening a new slot:
It's *pretty* annoying that eMule currently opens a new slot if you get below the set uploadlimit for a very short time. I suggest adding a "open slot blocker" for ~5-15 seconds - if the upload is still not saturated then a new slot is opened :-k


the first seems nice but I think that the second and third suffice (and looks quite esier&simpler to implement ).
Another important think to consider is that p2p is causing great problmes to ISPs not only for data traffic(bandwith used) but great number of opened connections seems another issue for them to handle with.
These features 'll diminuish the overall connections (by half or more) by giving a emule's fairer behaviour (ISP's oriented ;-) ).

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Posted 19 February 2006 - 09:38 AM

About the annoyance of a low speed / standby slot, someone once wrote that ''eMule does not like to be watched'' :furious: . Why getting exited, the design is to maximise the utilisation of available bandwidth! If ever a trickle comes my way, particular if its from a single source file, it at least tells me it exists! In short, don't watch it! :+1:
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 10:15 AM

This annoyance already exists, e.g. give an upload of 15kB, the eMule will fill up 4 slots with 3.5kB and 1 with $ucking 1kB (or less, depending on overhead) - so that shouldn't be a reason... and you have to take into concern that once a clients gets kicked you will most likely be in focus :)


Ah btw: I also pledge for a static "1 chunk" upload - this would reduce CPU usage, overhead and would help files to spread faster.
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 06:45 AM

This is an alternative to limiting the number of upload slots:

Allow the user to modify the threshold of unused bandwidth. That is, if your upload limit is 100kB, a new slot is created if the bandwidth falls below 100kB... by how much?

The number could be set, either in absolute kBs, or as a percentage of the current upload limit.

This post has been edited by dodo4lurk: 01 March 2006 - 06:47 AM

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 05:49 PM

There are very good suggestions in this thread. Currently eMule will open too many upload slots if the network is put undear heavy load by other applications running on the computer or other users (over whom I have no control) increasing the data traffic even more and maybe never reaching the chosen upload limit.

Screenshot of ZZUL Bastard mod v0.47a (19 open slots)

56 kB / 19 slots equals 2.9 kB/slot. You can see that SlotFocus in this case provides no benefit over the fixed 3-4 kB bandwidth upload slot. Instead of sophisticated speed sensing algorithms I need a simple "MaxSlots" option. I don't mind having periods with only a few very slow peers connected as the machine is running 24/7 and serving also for other purposes besides ed2k.

fatbar said:

p2p is causing great problmes to ISPs not only for data traffic(bandwith used) but great number of opened connections


If you suspect the presence of "maxslots" value will aid leeching:
1) Don't use maxslots yourself.
2) Make the smallest allowed value equal 3. 3*4 kB > 10 kB – the lowest upload speed w/o restrictions to download bandwidth.

This post has been edited by j7n: 29 October 2006 - 06:00 PM

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 10:49 PM

fatbar said:

p2p is causing great problmes to ISPs not only for data traffic(bandwith used) but great number of opened connections



Upload speed 695 KB, opened slot 92, max speed 11 KB, total mess.
same situation at the very end of a file, too often Emule leave a fast client and get stuck with a slow one forever.
Hey, with obfuscation now we have lot's of bandwidth on symmetric connections.......
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Posted 03 November 2006 - 10:06 PM

View PosttHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Feb 5 2006, 12:05 PM, said:

Hi there,

reading in the forums one of the most popular requests is to lower the number of opened slots because for high speed lines it's *extremely* annoying to upload to 50+ Clients at a low speed, increasing the concurrent connections...
So I want to ask the devs to put in one/all of the following:


Slot focus:
Concentrate upload on as few clients as possible, automatically lowering the number of opened slots :thumbup:


Adjustable/automatically adjusting Clientdatarate:
This is a *very* small change and easy to code but it's pretty effective.
Raising the datarate from the default 3kB to e.g. 10kB for higher speed lines will save 2/3 of their opened slots and no bandwidth will be lost because if the upload isn't saturated more slots can still be opened :flowers:
Also possible to add some kind of automatic detection, e.g.
3kB for <= 10kB UL ~ 3-4 Slots
5kB for <= 20kB UL ~ 4 Slots
9kB for <= 30kB UL ~ 3-4 Slots
and so on... so no one could "misconfigure" his client :-k


Timelimit before opening a new slot:
It's *pretty* annoying that eMule currently opens a new slot if you get below the set uploadlimit for a very short time. I suggest adding a "open slot blocker" for ~5-15 seconds - if the upload is still not saturated then a new slot is opened :-k



All features are already available in some mods and more or less usable so there would only be some testing required... it would really help the highspeed clients because having 250 active connections of which 200 are upload slots isn't a funny thing at all :cool2:



Hi!

Do you plan to implement this in a mod, I'd like to try it :)

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Posted 04 November 2006 - 12:37 AM

View Postj7n, on Oct 29 2006, 06:49 PM, said:

Screenshot of ZZUL Bastard mod v0.47a (19 open slots)

56 kB / 19 slots equals 2.9 kB/slot. You can see that SlotFocus in this case provides no benefit over the fixed 3-4 kB bandwidth upload slot. Instead of sophisticated speed sensing algorithms I need a simple "MaxSlots" option. I don't mind having periods with only a few very slow peers connected as the machine is running 24/7 and serving also for other purposes besides ed2k.


Maybe setting USS correctly may help you:
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/edit: WTF, photobucket now automatically rescales big images!

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Posted 04 November 2006 - 01:06 AM

View PostCiccioBastardo, on Nov 4 2006, 01:37 AM, said:

/edit: WTF, photobucket now automatically rescales big images!


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Images larger than 1024 x 768 Pixels will be automatically resized to 1024 x 768 Pixels or smaller. If you are a Photobucket Pro account subscriber, this limit is now 2048 x 1536 Pixels.


Hence the word 'smaller' in the text I quoted from their homepage..
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Posted 13 June 2022 - 12:46 PM

Makes total sense, even if after many years eMule is still alive, and this observations still apply.

Made a small patch to update those limits and apply them in the latest Community version

https://github.com/i...c118ab954f2f52d


Given the size of files shared these days, and the much higher bandwidth common available, it is not practical to have tenths of files being upload which cause lots of I/O contention and overhead. It's much better to have few slots at max speed uploading for as long as needed. Specifically SESSIONMAXTRANS was too low, disconnecting clients in the upload queue every 9Mb

Ideally these params should be put in config file, so to be tuned based on the need.


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The key values that should be configurable are

SESSIONMAXTRANS
SESSIONMAXTIME

MAX_UP_CLIENTS_ALLOWED
UPLOAD_CLIENT_MAXDATARATE

This post has been edited by brand33d: 13 June 2022 - 02:20 PM

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