[craplix]

I am trying to download two small files in particular (set to high priority) both with under 10 people sharing it. I also have about 10 other large files that have between 30 and 200 sharers and are set to low or normal priority.

I have been trying to get even one piece of these files for 2 days now and the same thing keeps happening. My queue rank goes down, goes down, goes down then just as I am about to download all of a sudden my queue rank for every client on both files shoots up way high ... some of them to "queue full" status.

Now I am downloading other files during this time, but the way I read the documentation, your queue rank should not ever increase. If you are uploading to those specific clients it may decrease your queue rank faster (while others wait in line) but not uploading to them shouldn't increase your queue rank.

Now if downloading files is making my upload/download ratio worse and thus increasing my queue rank with all the clients sharing these two files, then the documentation that states "Credits are not global. They are exchanged between two specific clients" is wrong.

Also under Rating, it states the following modifiers will affect your score:

Banned - don't think this is what's happening - how could I tell if I've been banned and ejected from the queue?
Credits - well if credits are not global, this can't be the answer as I haven't uploaded or downloaded to any of these clients, they aren't sharing the other files I am downloading
File priority for shared files - unless they are all rotating their file priority this can't explain what's going on
Old Version Penalty - erm no I'm on 46c with no mods and anyway I'm not changing my version as I'm downloading

Can anyone enlighten me? I've read all the documentation i can find on the subject and I can't figure this out. I can't search as when I try to search, I get a result "the server is too busy".

TIA

This post has been edited by craplix: 27 August 2005 - 06:05 AM

[xscarab]

Well, your queue rank CAN increase - if other people join that persons queue requesting files with higher priority than yours is, and/or if they have a better credit rating with the user than you do. Also if the user goes offline and reconnects within your reask time - unless they are using SUQWT their queue is reset - you could be one of the last users to reask and so will have lost your waiting time modifier, hence not have such a good queue position.

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My queue rank goes down, goes down, goes down then just as I am about to download all of a sudden my queue rank for every client on both files shoots up way high ... some of them to "queue full" status.

That does seem unusual. Maybe they are just dodgy sources Someone else might have a better idea why you are experiencing this sort of behavior for those 2 files. Can't you find another version of the file to try?

[craplix]

xscarab, on Aug 27 2005, 10:54 AM, said:

That does seem unusual.  Maybe they are just dodgy sources    Someone else might have a better idea why you are experiencing this sort of behavior for those 2 files.  Can't you find another version of the file to try?

Unfortunately no, they are the only sources. It just keeps happening over and over again. I went to bed last night at 37 QR on one of the clients, woke up this morning with nothing downloaded and now I'm at queue rank full.

When they say credits aren't global, do they mean that each client keeps it's own credit score but how much you upload and download (which is a global phenomena) gets reflected individually on each persons credit score?

That would seem to argue for me to download these two files, I now have to shut everything else I'm downloading off or I'm never going to get at these files.

[xscarab]

craplix, on Aug 27 2005, 04:19 PM, said:

When they say credits aren't global, do they mean that each client keeps it's own credit score but how much you upload and download (which is a global phenomena) gets reflected individually on each persons credit score?

No - no global credit rating. Only your uploads/downloads with an individual are kept track of by that individual.

craplix, on Aug 27 2005, 04:19 PM, said:

That would seem to argue for me to download these two files, I now have to shut everything else I'm downloading off or I'm never going to get at these files.

I don't think that will make any difference If they do turn out all to be bad sources, you may be unlucky and never get the file from any of them.

[niclights]

Make sure you have genuine High-Id when connected to popular servers such as Razorback2/Donkeyservers. Make sure you have UL Limit set correctly (straight line on graph).

Other than those, I would agree with Xscarab. What you are seeing is strange, but not unheard of. If you have steady uploads and the files with plenty of sources are downloading as expected, then I would have to guess that they are either bad sources, or none of them actually have the file shared anymore. This sometimes occurs if you complete a file, then move/delete it, but do not Reload the Shared Files list. The remote client thinks the file is available, but as soon as you come to download it it can't find it and you go to the back of the queue.

I also agree that shutting down other downloads will make no difference.

[craplix]

niclights, on Aug 27 2005, 03:59 PM, said:

Make sure you have genuine High-Id when connected to popular servers such as Razorback2/Donkeyservers.  Make sure you have UL Limit set correctly (straight line on graph).

Yes, I always run with high ID. Green/green icons in bottom right corner. Kad occasionally goes yellow, but not for long.

I might have to look at the UL limit. I don't believe I have set one. There is just the download and upload capacities. It does look like my upload capacity is set too high, however. How would this be causing my problems?

On an off note, could all these people be sharing other files at release and therefore everyone who wants the other files be jumping ahead of me in line (thus my QR is increasing)? Could they be using mods that allow a community to share with each other? Could they be adding people on their friends list ahead of me?
I haven't gotten into mods at all so I don't know whether this might be responsible for the behaviour I'm seeing.

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions!

[niclights]

Capacities only scale the graphs. UL Limit is essential.

All of what you suggest may be possible. You could try sending a message and asking.

[craplix]

Is it possible my credits are being stolen and used by others?

I made up a ridiculous nonsensical user name ... after about a day I see 4 other clients with the same or a derived name from 4 different countries with very different ip's than mine. Given the behaviour I'm experiencing and the fact that I can download next to nothing now on any of the files I'm trying to download I am very suspicious.

Anyone have any experience with this?

[xscarab]

they could be using a mod with copy nick function. But shouldn't be able to steal your credits

Are you using the official emule client? I didn't know that showed countries and ip's...

[craplix]

I was using official 46c until this last couple of days when I can't seem to download anything. My QR keeps going up, I keep uploading and I'm not getting anywhere.

I've been using emule for several months and I've never seen anything like this happen.

Since this episode I downloaded and tried emule+ which is where I got the similar user names. I shut down emule+ and went back to 46c and then saw a similar thing ... my strange username (really just a string of letters and numbers that make no sense) with "emule" in front of it.

Something wierd is going on, but what it comes down to is I can't download much anymore. Not sure why. At first it was just those two rare files, now it's everything.

Thanks again for everyone's help!