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Emule - Webcache Updated - 2004 10 22

#41 User is offline   yonatan 

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Posted 02 July 2004 - 10:54 PM

For webcaching to be effective it has to be supported by a very large number of clients on the network (i.e. needs to be added to the official eMule). This mod was meant to be a test/proof-of-concept of the webcaching idea.

While webcaching may still be useful for clients whose ISPs don't use PeerCache there is not much point in going on with development unless it has a chance to be added to the official client.

Since the official eMule now supports PeerCache I don't know if the devs will be interested in adding HTTP proxy support as well (devs- if you're reading this please respond).

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Thanks for your support.
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#42 User is offline   geearf 

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Posted 02 July 2004 - 11:04 PM

Usually unknown1 seems to accept better things from others, so they take it, but it will need to be in some mods before it i guess.
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 01:45 PM

I don't know exactly how PeerCache works.
But i know WebCache can work with existing infrastructure (Web Proxys). PeerCache has to be implemented separately by the Provider.
The best thing would be to have both implementations in emule: PeerCache for easy Configuration (if your Provider has peer cache implemented) and WebCache if your Provider hasn't implemented PeerCache.
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#44 User is offline   geearf 

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 01:52 PM

i do agree
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#45 User is offline   Cantide 

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:15 PM

definately, since there is only one ISP I know of that is using peercache.

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:18 PM

Cantide, on Jul 3 2004, 03:15 PM, said:

definately, since there is only one ISP I know of that is using peercache.

i know 2, first is in GB the other in EST
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:26 PM

prototyp, on Jul 3 2004, 02:18 PM, said:

Cantide, on Jul 3 2004, 03:15 PM, said:

definately, since there is only one ISP I know of that is using peercache.

i know 2, first is in GB the other in EST

okay, but i think my point still stands :D
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:31 PM

Cantide, on Jul 3 2004, 03:26 PM, said:

okay, but i think my point still stands  :D

yep :P

emule and edonkey/overnet can use the webcache feature, so 3 million users more can use it, so its possible that the isp's use the software in the future. now we must make "terror", phone your isp's and ask for the feature, or write emails (not to the managers, they do nothing)

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Posted 04 July 2004 - 09:03 AM

After some reading i'm pretty sure there are many people who don't know that PeerCache and WebCache are something different.
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Posted 04 July 2004 - 09:13 AM

i agree... completely different...

you have to include a URL to a HTTP server which also hosts the file for PeerCache to work.. it just adds the HTTP server as an extra source..

and as far as i understood it your isp doesn't have to set anything up to use PeerCache..
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Posted 04 July 2004 - 09:23 AM

snek_one, on Jul 4 2004, 11:13 AM, said:

and as far as i understood it your isp doesn't have to set anything up to use PeerCache..

Except buying PeerCache software and installing it on server(s). Or did you mean WebCache?

@yonatan, Superlexx
I've had no time to check both your and official code - cannot be some parts of their code reused for your mod? Although you seem bit frustrated about this PeerCache thing, I think you should continue developing WebCache mod, really:)
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#52 User is offline   yonatan 

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Posted 04 July 2004 - 10:01 AM

It seems that some of the PeerCache code can be useful. Unfortunately, to use it I first need to understand it, which will take me some time. PeerCache transfers are also done over HTTP, the main difference being that PeerCache (as far as I understand so far) uses one URL for each file, and uses HTTP bytes-ranges to split it into blocks. Byte-ranges don't get along too well with HTTP proxies (squid, at least) so this will have to change. I'm porting webcachetest to 0.43a right now but I'm not sure when it will be operational.

EDIT: typo

This post has been edited by yonatan: 04 July 2004 - 10:06 AM

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Posted 04 July 2004 - 04:34 PM

the program that is available for download for use with peercache allows you to add multiple http url's
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Posted 06 July 2004 - 08:05 PM

I am currently making a new attempt to code the webcache feature.

The idea is to stay as close to the PeerCache protocol as possible, don't write too much own code. On a first sight all that has to be done is to rename all *Peer*-things into *Web*-things, remove the parts not needed for webcache and maybe adjust some socket timeouts. If everything goes good, we could have a new test client for the weekend (I shouldn't have said that ;)).
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Post icon  Posted 06 July 2004 - 08:17 PM

Hi Superlexx :)

Sounds like a great idea please continue and Thank You for your effort. :thumbup:
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Posted 06 July 2004 - 09:25 PM

Hi,

Great news Superlexx,


Thanks in advance,
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Posted 10 July 2004 - 12:21 PM

HI!

My heart is jumping!!!
As one of the first people helping to develope the idea of the webcaching in the main thread, i'm very happy to see, that it will work.

Some things:
For better testing you/we should start a registration. Where people who want to join alpha testing, can do so.

The someone should create an proxy on his pc. This doesn't have to be the big connection. There are just small chunks. This is better for loggin and so on.

Everybody should meet in an irc channel, and then it should work.

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Posted 10 July 2004 - 02:55 PM

yes, it's a great idea to test correctly this awesome feature for a futur and strong add-on.
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Posted 10 July 2004 - 03:01 PM

the software isnt a problem, we need only a linux pc

http://www.squid-cache.org/
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Posted 10 July 2004 - 03:30 PM

we don't even need a linux PC, squid also runs with CygWin.
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