[NksTV]

Im assuimg zzul is still being developed, and i like its features and seems to handle well at high upload speeds, but its opening too many slots and theres no option to limit the number of slots =(

mmorph has a slot limiter but it just doesnt work, plus it uses too much memory cpu when uploading at high speeds so is there a possibility of getting a slot limiting function added to zzul or is there some other mod around which has slot focus + slot limiting?

[tHeWiZaRdOfDoS]

Limiting the slots is a bad idea in general... the way to go is to tweak the throttler even more so that it doesn't open too many slots automatically any more. In my opinion slot limit functions should be added to the "bad feature" ™ list.

[NksTV]

well to be honest i dont really care how its done, but having too many connections going when trying to upload at high speeds creates alot of lag =)

[leuk_he]

NksTV, on Jan 29 2007, 11:25 AM, said:

well to be honest i dont really care how its done, but having too many connections going when trying to upload at high speeds creates alot of lag =)

topic hijack

how much upload?
try to disable reduce/disable compression (new option in morph 9.3 for high uploaders, same option exists in many other mods, there xterme helps a bit with lag.
Also minizize eMule and don's sort on speed (sorting a lot of upload slots is a a bad idea)

[NksTV]

why would anyone be sorting by speed, its set to filename atm...

and im talking 2000-5000KB/s

unless theres been a significant change between 9.2 and 9.4 then theres not really much point trying 9.4

[leuk_he]

NksTV, on Jan 29 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

why would anyone be sorting by speed, its set to filename atm...

and im talking 2000-5000KB/s

unless theres been a significant change between 9.2 and 9.4 then theres not really much point trying 9.4

The disable compression seems to help for the lag accoridng to an other tester. that is new in 9.3. (morph -> upload)

[NksTV]

ok well i'll give it a whirl later this week

[MadlyMad]

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Jan 29 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

In my opinion slot limit functions should be added to the "bad feature" ™ list.

why that ? don't understand why... ???

If I upload to up to 100 MB/s,
Does it seems fair to you, to have lags while being generous with other people ??
does it seems fair to you to take the risk to kill his HD very quickly ??
having a 100 MB connection does not mean you have a huge RAID system behind to reduce thoses risks...




actually if I had this kind of connection I would prefer to be able to limit the slot number to lets say 50 slots (which is already huge !!) Even it doesn't take the whole bandwidth available !!
in anyway the bandwidth shared is already Very Big compare to others on the network, and I would prefer to have a very unstable upload BW used, to preserve my HD from death, instead of the opposite =)

[tHeWiZaRdOfDoS]

MadlyMad, on Jan 29 2007, 04:06 PM, said:

why that ? don't understand why... ???

Simple: it can be abused and is a bad solution... if the problem is the upload slots well then reduce the max upload OR live with it.

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If I upload to up to 100 MB/s,
Does it seems fair to you, to have lags while being generous with other people ??
does it seems fair to you to take the risk to kill his HD very quickly ??
having a 100 MB connection does not mean you have a huge RAID system behind to reduce thoses risks...

Trust me, I know these problems... and I asked for a solution several times, e.g. I don't think it's fair that you get less download the more you upload...

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actually if I had this kind of connection I would prefer to be able to limit the slot number to lets say 50 slots (which is already huge !!) Even it doesn't take the whole bandwidth available !!
in anyway the bandwidth shared is already Very Big compare to others on the network, and I would prefer to have a very unstable upload BW used, to preserve my HD from death, instead of the opposite =)

It would have to have certain limits then it'd be ok... BUT still not a good solution.
Imagine you're uploading at 1000kB/s then eMule will open 250 slots (hardcoded limit). You would most likely limit it to ~50 slots that would make 20kB per slot but if you have lots of slow users in queue those 50 might not be enough to consume your bandwidth and then upload is lost - THAT is the part why a slotlimit is bad. On the other hand imagine eMule would finally include a slotfocus then you would open much less slots and new slots would only be opened if necessary... that's the way to go.

[netfinity]

In my Mod I made the limits like this.

Minimum number of slots: sqrt(uploadrate)
Maximum number of slots: 3 * sqrt(uploadrate)

That gives:
Uploadrate = 10kB/s => 3 - 9 slots
Uploadrate = 100kB/s => 10 - 30 slots
Uploadrate = 1000kB/s => 31 - 94 slots
Uploadrate = 10000kB/s => 100 - 300 slots

Well, I use some other modifiers too, but those are mainly for the extremes. To my experience it is rarely possible to use less slots than my minimum without to much fluctuations in the upload.

/netfinity

[zz]

There are always room for improvements, but most of these mods (including ZZUL) tries to limit the number of upload slots in different ways. You'll just have to pick the one that works the best for you.

[NksTV]

a slot limit cant be abused in any way if the minimum able to be set is like 100, i'd be happy with 100 slots in this case with the upload im trying to run it at...

[MadlyMad]

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Jan 29 2007, 04:19 PM, said:

MadlyMad, on Jan 29 2007, 04:06 PM, said:

why that ? don't understand why... ???

Simple: it can be abused and is a bad solution...

well, every things can be abused
there is a ratio under a 10 KB/s upload limit, this ratio is abused sometime though it exists in official....
so eMule don't need this feature to be abused =)

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but if you have lots of slow users in queue those 50 might not be enough to consume your bandwidth and then upload is lost - THAT is the part why a slotlimit is bad.

that's what I said, this is not a big problem to me as long as you have an average upload (per day) much more bigger than everyone
if you have an upload at least 10 times bigger than others, it's not a problem at all

[Firnus]

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Jan 29 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

Limiting the slots is a bad idea in general... the way to go is to tweak the throttler even more so that it doesn't open too many slots automatically any more. In my opinion slot limit functions should be added to the "bad feature" ™ list.

Auto slot limiter like Netf Warp or VipeR is very good, i never see my upload goes down with this to Mod's

[MadlyMad]

on a huge connection ???

[SiRoB]

tHeWiZaRdOfDoS, on Jan 29 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

Limiting the slots is a bad idea in general... the way to go is to tweak the throttler even more so that it doesn't open too many slots automatically any more. In my opinion slot limit functions should be added to the "bad feature" ™ list.

Viper is one of the mod that should be added into bad mod so?

Firnus, on Feb 9 2007, 11:45 AM, said:

Auto slot limiter like Netf Warp or VipeR is very good, i never see my upload goes down with this to Mod's

There is absolutly no auto slot limiter into Viper.
It's just a stupid max slot limiter @ Bandwidth/(10kB/s) and an hardcore slot limiter.
It's just amazing to give credit to such Mod without any small investigation.