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#41 User is offline   Nickolas 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 04:30 PM

Since the program resigns once installed?
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#42 User is offline   satanedonkeyserver 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 04:42 PM

View PostNickolas, on Sep 21 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Since the program resigns once installed?


:confused: Sorry, don't understand "resigns" what you wanted to ask me....

Maybe this is the answer to your question ?
The configuration-file ist created after the very first start of the server then the server terminates with a message to reedit the config file.
There must be made changes according the right ip address and other things ....

There are three kinds of people in this world:

people who watch things happen ...
people who complain about things that happen ...
and people who make things happen...
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#43 User is offline   Nickolas 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 04:46 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 21 2007, 01:42 PM, said:

View PostNickolas, on Sep 21 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Since the program resigns once installed?


:confused: Sorry, don't understand "resigns" what you wanted to ask me....

Maybe this is the answer to your question ?
The configuration-file ist created after the very first start of the server then the server terminates with a message to reedit the config file.
There must be made changes according the right ip address and other things ....



Since I suppress the program?
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#44 User is offline   Sam Hamwich 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 04:54 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 21 2007, 11:44 AM, said:

View PostSam Hamwich, on Sep 21 2007, 03:40 PM, said:

Thanks to your reply to my Email. Information included in it. I saw your connection to my server and found the files you added. They are downloading as we speak. Now, I need to know how to add more servers to the contact list and possible get into the server.met distribution. Thanks!


There should be a configuration file, called "satan.conf". In this config file you may specify a server.met with allready known edonkey-servers.
This file will be rewritten after new servers are added, in case it it's writeable....


Right, I'll use the one from Emule's Serverlist.met. Also, the program did crash several times and had to be restarted. You might want to check into this:

AppName: satan-edonkey-server-windows_32_bit_x86.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: satan-edonkey-server-windows_32_bit_x86.exe
ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 000116e4

This post has been edited by Sam Hamwich: 21 September 2007 - 04:57 PM

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#45 User is offline   satanedonkeyserver 

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Post icon  Posted 21 September 2007 - 05:00 PM

View PostSam Hamwich, on Sep 21 2007, 04:54 PM, said:

Right, I'll use the one from Emule's Serverlist.met. Also, the program did crash several times and had to be restarted. You might want to check into this.


crashed after .... :confused:

[ ] having given the server.met (-> please send me this server.met)
[ ] having modified the satan.conf (-> please send me the satan.conf)
[ ] having done nothing .... (-> please send me nothing :unsure: )
[ ] having send some requests (connection,search,.... ) from an connected client ?
[ ] ....

P.s. According to our testclient (aMule) your server is still up and running now.

This post has been edited by satanedonkeyserver: 21 September 2007 - 05:02 PM


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#46 User is offline   Grendell 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 05:47 PM

Edit - I retract what I posted previously (below). The source code was sent to emule authors for verification.

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Brand new never heard of before server released immediately after the closure of every major emule server group. And it's closed source.

I'm sorry but you've got to be crazy to use this. Just my opinion.

This post has been edited by Grendell: 30 September 2007 - 10:12 AM

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#47 User is offline   Nissenice 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 08:18 PM

View Postleuk_he, on Sep 21 2007, 03:39 PM, said:

-Currently none of the bad server support obfuscation..

Are you sure about this?
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#48 User is offline   Sam Hamwich 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 08:31 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 21 2007, 01:00 PM, said:

View PostSam Hamwich, on Sep 21 2007, 04:54 PM, said:

Right, I'll use the one from Emule's Serverlist.met. Also, the program did crash several times and had to be restarted. You might want to check into this.


crashed after .... :confused:

[ ] having given the server.met (-> please send me this server.met)
[ ] having modified the satan.conf (-> please send me the satan.conf)
[X ] having done nothing .... (-> please send me nothing :unsure: )
[? ] having send some requests (connection,search,.... ) from an connected client ?
[ ] ....

P.s. According to our testclient (aMule) your server is still up and running now.


It seems to happen at random, after I run the executable and while it's running. It will simply close with that Microsoft Error message window popping up. Since I have no way to monitor it's activity, except by watching the TCP stacks, I have no idea what causes it. What you need is a log file generator to trap error message for evaluation, and some sort of live activity monitor in the DOS window to indicate connects and other information. Our mutual connect seems stable, though. I didn't see any other contacts other than yours, and I have an updated server.met in the directory, so I'm still unclear as to what to do here.
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 09:05 PM

View PostSam Hamwich, on Sep 21 2007, 08:31 PM, said:

... I'm still unclear as to what to do here.


please be patient ... we will provide a debug version in which we will 'hide' all informations about connected clients
and the offered files ...

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Post icon  Posted 21 September 2007 - 09:18 PM

View PostNissenice, on Sep 21 2007, 10:18 PM, said:

View Postleuk_he, on Sep 21 2007, 03:39 PM, said:

-Currently none of the bad server support obfuscation..

Are you sure about this?


DId you create a bad server that supports obfuscation? are you sure? :punk:
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#51 User is offline   Sam Hamwich 

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Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:14 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 21 2007, 05:05 PM, said:

View PostSam Hamwich, on Sep 21 2007, 08:31 PM, said:

... I'm still unclear as to what to do here.


please be patient ... we will provide a debug version in which we will 'hide' all informations about connected clients
and the offered files ...


Um, okay, but I hope you meant 'unhide' all information. Thanks. :confused:
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:37 PM

satanedonkeyserver said:

Question to the community:
How to detect blacklistet servers ? Should we read a local file periodically, hard code the allready known servers or ask any ?? ressource in the web for it ..... any ideas ?


The "server version" reported by the fakes was also a good hint: if you capture a login sequence with ethereal, you can see that the fake servers don't use Gzip when connection - something they SHOULD do if they were true eServers ...

FakeServer list

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:35 AM

View PostElChele, on Sep 21 2007, 11:37 PM, said:

satanedonkeyserver said:

Question to the community:
How to detect blacklistet servers ? Should we read a local file periodically, hard code the allready known servers or ask any ?? ressource in the web for it ..... any ideas ?


The "server version" reported by the fakes was also a good hint: if you capture a login sequence with ethereal, you can see that the fake servers don't use Gzip when connection - something they SHOULD do if they were true eServers ...

FakeServer list

bye

GZIP can create overhead on small community servers. Some of server administrators decide not to turn on GZIP.

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 01:38 AM

View PostGlobalHKM, on Sep 21 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

PS: I am not sure about SeDS intentions coming out now but I will be glad to look at there server source if they are open.

I hope you keep it that way. I know of no reason why the Satan Edonkey Server devs should trust you or any other random Joe who's not well known and been with eMule and Edonkey for years. You could be a MPAA/RIAA decoy, too, anyone here could, not only the Satan team.

I'm strongly against releasing the source code. If the people behind SatanEdonkeyServer turn out to be crooks, the project is over, noone will use it anymore except them. Maybe they're really badass and try to beta test a new honeypot edonkey server for the content industry using the emule community, but that would be too stupid to be true and I don't believe it.

In contrast if the server code was made open source, even putting it under a very restrictive license like GPL, it will not legally prevent anyone to create honeypot servers, since it's not forbidden to keep altered GPL'ed code closed when you don't distribute the binaries and only use the software internally. While the GPL would theoretically help against so called GPL breaker eMule mods, which necessarily are distributed, it does nothing against honeypot servers as long as the server software isn't released which will 100% certainly never be the case (except by others like MDD).

Let those idiots write their own server software. It's seems that the current generation of fake servers can't even use gzip or obfuscation, they will "steal" (i.e. use) other people's work so they can make money out of it!
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 02:32 AM

satanedonkeyserver said:

hard code the allready known servers


hardcode requires the dev's, modify code any time the input data/pathfile, or desired format changes, at least, you use a internal variant, for receive/stored the new data.
Use external source, such as Config file, and fakeserver filter built-in, as leuk_he suggest, it's the best solution.

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 08:08 AM

View Postleuk_he, on Sep 21 2007, 11:18 PM, said:

View PostNissenice, on Sep 21 2007, 10:18 PM, said:

View Postleuk_he, on Sep 21 2007, 03:39 PM, said:

-Currently none of the bad server support obfuscation..

Are you sure about this?


DId you create a bad server that supports obfuscation? are you sure? :punk:

Hmm, if I had I probably would have, but I haven't. :)

Anyway if it's that easy to judge if a server is bad or not then I have 63 servers who support obfuscation. That's not bad... I think. :ph34r:

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:04 AM

leuk_he said:

DId you create a bad server that supports obfuscation? are you sure?

NisseAltDonkey, perhaps..???
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 10:23 PM

A new Closed Source server software is a shoot into the oven. Most servers are down right now, to many fake servers are up. People getting more and more paranoid. Any server running your software will be put into ipfilters so or so. There is really no need for a new edonkey software.

If you would want to imrpove something, help the community for fun, then you could have contributed other usefull things. Such as improved kad. Servers are outdated. What`s next, a Closed Source edk client? :unsure:

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 21 2007, 07:29 AM, said:

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Time has proven that Closed Source, obsfucation and licenses can`t stop crackers from reverse engeneering and finding remote exploitable bugs.

But it costs them time (and money).

It`s simple. If it`s Open Source a lot of 'good' programmers will look into it and will find security problems more easy and report them to get fixed.

If it`s Closed Source not so much 'good' programmers look inside. But 'bad' programmers will still look into it, such as crackers or paid programmers. Sure them will need more time. But if them find something worse, then them won`t report it, but abuse it. And... Nothing works immediately, there are always bugs.

Security is always thought obscurity and this is generally accepted when it comes to it security.

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 21 2007, 07:29 AM, said:

How many wasted and corruped _mule-clients exists out in this world ? And this is only possible because this script-kiddies does have acces to the sources of _mule-systems.
What do you think if the edonkey-server-souce-code is - ready to be used - by everyone out in this world ? We would have MANY MANY fake-servers, spy-servers, .... out in the world. Users won't trust in the eDonkey-Network any more because many servers will fool them.

Like said, the trust in any servers is over. You can read that hype in every forum, it`s not only use kad, don`t use servers.
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 05:25 AM

View PostGlobalHKM, on Sep 22 2007, 05:20 AM, said:

Yes, I am random joe with IQ 158 with extensive background in computer science, hardware, network and programming.

Yes. And I'm the Holy Roman Pope Myself. Now you can kiss my hand.

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