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#396 User is offline   pepe0008 

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 02:05 PM

View PostFirnus, on Sep 26 2006, 03:25 PM, said:

But i say, put his job closed source don't protect from false server.

It certainly does not protect the network from lame fake servers. But lame fake servers are too lame to do much evil.
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 02:38 PM

View Postpepe0008, on Sep 26 2006, 02:05 PM, said:

But lame fake servers are too lame to do much evil.
I don't underestimate the developper who can work for RIAA/MPAA.

I don't know for that, i think actually, it's not important to break the network with good fake server.
And , i don't think a good fake server can, break the network. Maybe i'm wrong , but i'm not sure . Are you sure fake server are too lame to do much evil ?

Maybe legal procedure can block some jugement, but if procedure become more simply, did you know the number of people goes to trial because at first start of eMule they goes to fake server ?

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 06:17 PM

I know I am going a little further off-topic, but the chance to talk to Lugdunum and other expert users here is just too good to pass...

What I am worried about eserver not been open-source, it's the danger of a kind of "fossilization" in the protocol. (http was extended, email was extended with MIME, etc.)

I know pretty well the differences between bittorrent and edonkey, and each has its uses. However, the thing the edonkey protocol is sorely missing when compared with bittorrent is the ability to share several files as a single entity, for example consider the contents of this torrent:

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Name.............................................................................Size
/Guy Debord - Comments On The Society Of The Spectacle.pdf 560.67 kb
/Guy Debord - La Societe Du Spectacle - 1973.avi 699.47 mb
/Guy Debord - La Societe Du Spectacle - 1973.srt 106.30 kb
/Guy Debord - La Societe du Spectacle.doc 444.50 kb
/Guy Debord, The Society Of The Spectacle.pdf 545.83 kb


The good thing about this torrent, is that its files are neatly grouped, as they should be. The bad thing, is that in 15 or 30 days this torrent is going to be dead. Those files can be put in the edonkey network so they will survive a very long time (or forever!), but then they are no longer an united entity, and that makes its proper sharing (and comprehension!) much harder, for both the sharer and the leecher.

Do you, Lugdunum, see extending the protocol to support some kind of "virtual elink" possible, so that it would group together several files in one single edonkey link?

[PS: yeah, we have RAR and whatnot; but the masses of users are what make a network's worth, and the masses do UNRAR whatever they want to use, delete the RAR, keep the decompressed files, and then either the files disappear from the edonkey network, or the grouping of those related files is lost again...]

[PS2: sharing not-for-profit is legal in Spain, so nobody sermonize me, I pay religiously the "special tax" (here called canon) on blank media (it's mandatory). Thank you.]
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 08:25 PM

pepe0008 collections are there to share multiple files with just one link, just like a torrent... but with ed2k you can share only one of those files, with torrent it's even more harder :)
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 08:31 PM

View PostEvolutionCrazy, on Sep 26 2006, 10:25 PM, said:

pepe0008 collections are there to share multiple files with just one link

What "collections"? I've never heard of them.
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 08:41 PM

View Postpepe0008, on Sep 26 2006, 06:17 PM, said:

Do you, Lugdunum, see extending the protocol to support some kind of "virtual elink" possible, so that it would group together several files in one single edonkey link?

What advantadge would that have over emulecollection?

Edit: Oops! Too late.

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Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:34 PM

View Postpepe0008, on Sep 26 2006, 08:31 PM, said:

View PostEvolutionCrazy, on Sep 26 2006, 10:25 PM, said:

pepe0008 collections are there to share multiple files with just one link

What "collections"? I've never heard of them.

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Special files : you can share it in eMule, share it on http server, or make a php-program to construct automaticly > (see here for an example)
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 09:39 PM

View Poststrip, on Sep 26 2006, 10:41 PM, said:

View Postpepe0008, on Sep 26 2006, 06:17 PM, said:

Do you, Lugdunum, see extending the protocol to support some kind of "virtual elink" possible, so that it would group together several files in one single edonkey link?

What advantadge would that have over emulecollection?

Alright, I see now what an "emulecollection" is, essentially a little binary file containing together the names and hashes of several files shared in the edonkey network. I am using aMule 2.1.3 and there is no support of "emulecollections" yet.

Yes, this addresses the problem I mentioned, but it does it at the client/application level, not at the protocol level... Hmm, kind of an ugly hack, but it could work...

Still, could a more transparent solution at the protocol level be better? (I don't see many people using "emulecollection"s, but I see a lot of multi-file torrents around...)
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Posted 26 September 2006 - 10:33 PM

So...
what is the disadvantage of the client-side implementation?
You can search for emulecollections via emule's integrated search. Which makes them superior to torrents. Other than that they offer the same possibilities: They can be published on a website, sent by email or can be made public any other way.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 02:38 PM

View PostJAW, on Sep 26 2006, 10:33 PM, said:

what is the disadvantage of the client-side implementation?

For exemple amule doesn't implement collection. Then Linux user don't use linux collection.

But pepe0008: bittorent need an extra files to have 'several files shared in one' : the .torrent files.

ed2k work without extra files .
I don't know if it's possible to integrate 'several files shared in one' in the protocol ... in bittorent , i don't think it's in the protocol.
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 10:27 PM

View PostFirnus, on Sep 27 2006, 07:38 AM, said:

For exemple amule doesn't implement collection.
Although, I'm sure it's in the works.

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Correct, it's bencoded into the .torrent file.
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 07:57 AM

View PostPacoBell, on Sep 27 2006, 10:27 PM, said:

View PostFirnus, on Sep 27 2006, 07:38 AM, said:

For exemple amule doesn't implement collection.
Although, I'm sure it's in the works.
I'm sure too ;)

aMule is great !!!! and amule dev is great too !

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 06:46 PM

hello there are or true servants in funcionamiendo of razorback or nongreetings
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 04:20 AM

Is Razorback back?
http://www.razorback2.com


http://forum.razorba...showtopic=12437
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After more than five months of absence, we return finally, but seriously cut down by our technical installations, our 2 waiters eDonkey and part of our news.

During this absence, we set up our strategy of defense and launched the first procedures, reason for which we have to compel us to stop any communication.

Five months without you to announce our situation and without calling some with the support of the community were not a sinecure. We thus decided to publish a first news bulletin. Others will follow news progressively.

The safeguards of our sites being on the seized waiters and not having been able to be restored to us, we put on line the version of December 23, 2005.

To see the continuation:
http://www.razorback...++partiellement


Is it too good to be true?
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 02:52 PM

View Postcafebean, on Oct 21 2006, 12:20 PM, said:

Is Razorback back?
http://www.razorback2.com


http://forum.razorba...showtopic=12437
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After more than five months of absence, we return finally, but seriously cut down by our technical installations, our 2 waiters eDonkey and part of our news.

During this absence, we set up our strategy of defense and launched the first procedures, reason for which we have to compel us to stop any communication.

Five months without you to announce our situation and without calling some with the support of the community were not a sinecure. We thus decided to publish a first news bulletin. Others will follow news progressively.

The safeguards of our sites being on the seized waiters and not having been able to be restored to us, we put on line the version of December 23, 2005.

To see the continuation:
http://www.razorback...++partiellement


Is it too good to be true?



better wait for awhile and see before join in. :angry:
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Posted 21 October 2006 - 03:17 PM

I just love auto-translation. :)


Until there is an "official" and verified announcement from lugdunummaster, those servers will not get into my list.

You can call me paranoid, if you want to. ;)

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Posted 24 October 2006 - 11:19 AM

View Postcafebean, on Oct 21 2006, 04:20 AM, said:

Is Razorback back?

Is it too good to be true?

Only the WebSite and the forum
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:31 PM

Razorback back for a moment ,like always :|
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:39 PM

View Postjamei, on Nov 5 2006, 02:31 PM, said:

Razorback back for a moment ,like always :|

What do you mean ?
The eD2k Razorback Servers are NOT online since February 2006, they probably won't be online until a long time ...
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 02:51 PM

Hm, I also noticed 'Cheztoff' vanished some time ago and is almost dead by now. <_<
Seems like only Donkeyservers (the real one's of course) and KAD are left.

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