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#1 User is offline   rollerblade 

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:51 AM

Hi


there are many boards out, which provide both, ed2k links and torrent links for the same file
e.g. the next future board
http://205.209.130.1.../index.php?sid=

So users can choose. this is good.

The problem only exists for releasers.
They need to release in torrent, but then they personally have to seed.
with shareaza and edonkey the edonkey network gets support for torrents and edonkey.

Releasers can include the ed2k hash into the torrents with torrentmakers azureus and www.torrentaid.com

Here the question is, if it would not be good for the whole system, to seed torrents out of edonkey and emuel network.

This means: emule shoudl NOT download from bittorrent, but it would be good to be backward compatible.

e.g. i have created a torrent with torrentaid.com
the ed2k hash of the file inside the torrent are available.

Why is emuel not able to handle them ?

Then we could just parse torrents into emule, emule is strapping off the given ed2k links out of the torrent and then downloads each file individually over ed2k.

This would mean as well, that a multifile collection could be made with www.torrentaid.com integrate inside emule and then we do not need rar for cd-albums, and the individual files are better spread instead of the rar.

torrentfiles with given ed2k hash could be handled with emule and downloaded,
this would be a nice feature to download al torrents as well in emuel over the ed2k protocol.

this would lead to a standard, that all torrents are made with the ed2k hash inside,

this is as well needed to stick both media together, torrent released media is then as well available in emule, and hybrid clients could seed the tracker then as well, e,g. in shareaza.

this is a way to combine both networks and emule does not need the torrent protocol, but it would be handy to be able to handle the .torrent files to download the files inside , if there is the ed2k hash provided.

This should be easily to strap out of the torrent, and maybe the www.torrentaid,com could added as a tool to the emuel installer to the core, then we can make cd-albums, include the ed2k hash and release torrent files, wich are not distributed over a tracker, but over emule,

And if somone wants to make a highspeed release, then he can additiionally set up one.

But this woudl lead to emule releasing as default by torrents, which are used instead of rar, if it makes sense to have each audio file as well individually on the net, or all 40 captain future morvies. They do not need to be rared in one zip.
Zips coudl be then as well be into a torrent, if it is really a rar like isntallers etc.

so Please, I request soon to have a download box for torrents, which provide the ed2k links and download then over ed2k

This woudl restructure all the torrent boards, they would say: use the emuel torrent creator (wich is the free code of www.torrentaid.com in emule) to create torrents.

If the tracker is down, then just download the torrent in emule, and use the ed2k protocol. So torrents, which are dead after 3 weeks, will EVER AND EVER be loadable in emule. This has potentials !

for all board and all torrents, so emuel just need to handle torrent files and have a default torrentmaker. emule torrents then are the new standard. So please include www.torrentaid.com

thanks

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Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:45 AM

what do you want?
1) use emule to feed torrent downloads? ARE YOU CRAZY? that is just that we need, more leechers dont uploading to ed2k network but downloading like pirates!!!
2) continue downloading an interrupted torrent download in ed2k network? yes, a good point, a good idea, a good feature. but dont present the idea here, present the idea to the torrent creators to include in the torrents file the ed2k hashkey and make a converter from . torrent to .part and .part.met and you dont need anything else...

BTW, AFAIK there is a few utilities that make that you want (convert from torrent to .part and .part.met), the problem is that you need the ed2k hashkey for that particular file...
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 09:01 AM

Hmm, no. I think he asked for a different thing (I hope).

There are BT links featuring an ed2k hash, besides the BT crap. eMule should be able to parse those links as it would with "regular" ed2k links.

Then it would behave as it already does.
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 01:13 PM

Someone from the phoenix mod project is working on a mod with BT but I guess they'll have limitations to both networks. I guess a zz ratio for ed2k and the normal stuff applicable for BT.
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 03:34 PM

first, I do not want to mod emule, emule should NOT connect to torrent-network or be hybrid or so.
Emule shoudl only be able to stripp of the ed2k hashes out of a torrent.
Right, therefore the ed2k hash MUST be inside the torrent.
Because not every torrent maker suipports this, emule could integrate code from torrentaid.com to create torrents, not for torrent, though as well, but mainly for the MULTIFILES. So an album of 12 mp3 are as well then available each by each file.
Uploading from ed2k to torrents by some shareaza clients or edonkey plugins is not the problem, because you only have ONE seeder per torrent ;-). this is not the overhead to talk about.
I dont want to parse partials i downloaded ointo another app.
So no torrent to part converter, this is to technical for normal users.
Just download then again.
So torrents should be able to be created by torrentait in emule and then emuel shoudl be able to download all ed2k hashes each by each file in emukle download tab.
IF emule comes out with an playlist maker, which is indeed the torretnaid.com code, then everyone would ccreate torrents with emule, wich would mean to include the ed2k hash and EVERY TORRENT WILL EVER ERVER EVER be downloadable over Emule !!!!!!!!!!
This brings the whole users back to emule !!!
Emule could get a torrent searchs tring,w hich emans to search for playlists !! like collections or m3u list they are working then.

maybe some time as well winamp is supporting torrent playlists from emule, if next to ed2k hash and sha1 hash as well to the sha1 the local url of the file is included (c/data/file.mp3), then as well winamp can play those torrents !!!

great potentials this simple ed2k link parsing/stripp off out of torrents.


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eMule should be able to parse those links as it would with "regular" ed2k links.


rwolf can you process this suggestion tot the developers please
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 03:36 PM

The developers do read the feature requests forum, even if it may seem the opposite :)
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 05:49 PM

I wouldn't mind, if my eMule accepted BT clients in the queue of a complete file. But that's probably just me.

Then again: it might be a more interesting concept to ask for a SeedSourceÖ ;) client that only uploads to the two networks. There would be no payback problems dreamt up then.

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The developers do read the feature requests forum, even if it may seem the opposite :)
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Some files are rare because nobody wants them.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 06:24 AM

would be nice to get a feedback from the developers, if they can quickly add this,
there is a great download site, deciding to use torrents or ed2k links.
The seed has to be instant, so it is torrent, but should be available as well in edonkey. so a decisionhas to be made. would be cool, if we can get in in a few days?
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 06:53 AM

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I wouldn't mind, if my eMule accepted BT clients in the queue of a complete file. But that's probably just me.


That is as likely as seeing the yeti or the dodo bird. They disappear quickly. Sharing torrents seems fine, but the possiblity of somehow merging the networks sends chills down my spine. It would definitly be a one way network.
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:22 AM

It doesn't have to be. An upload only client can be devised that works in both networks assuming a file match can be found.

Now the problem is that the BT-client will have to be able to find this upload only client probably by the means of a regular ed2k search. It will have to be banned by every normal ed2k client and be accepted only by the pure upload client.
Some files are rare because nobody wants them.

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 11:13 AM

hey, this thread is NOT about merging the bt protocol into emule !
there are othr requests.
(funny, all requests about implementing bt are denied hard and if there is a feature slighly, which hve the same name, all come back to it and discuss it)
This thread has nothing to do with uploading to bittorrent or downloading from it.
It is only about using the edonkey links in torrents to download them (the ed2k links!)
As well emule can use torrentaid to create albums with ed2k links, which will work as well with torrent clients, but emule never will download from bt in this concept,.
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Post icon  Posted 29 April 2005 - 06:27 PM

@rollerblade
Do you want to Strip ED2K links form a Torrent file ??

Try TorrentsStrip.zip

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Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:46 PM

rollerblade, on Apr 29 2005, 04:13 AM, said:

hey, this thread is NOT about merging the bt protocol into emule !
there are othr requests.
(funny, all requests about implementing bt are denied hard and if there is a feature slighly, which hve the same name, all come back to it and discuss it)
This thread has nothing to do with uploading to bittorrent or downloading from it.
It is only about using the edonkey links in torrents to download them (the ed2k links!)
As well emule can use torrentaid to create albums with ed2k links, which will work as well with torrent clients, but emule never will download from bt in this concept,.
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That is exactly the problem. I understand that BT in your proposal BT will only use eD2k to keep the torrent files, but what does eD2k get out of this. Sharing is caring, but how likely is it that eMule users would keep torrent files just to have them?
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Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:56 PM

@soso, thanks so much, seems you created it immediately !
do you have the source code of this tool ? please provide it for the original emule developers.
We need not torrentaid and torrent stripper in emule as an integrated feature,
Maybe the emuel developers can add a torrent search item.

This could be zapped together and a new emule version could be released soon.

@ Greatone, maybe read again ? emule gets ALL the torrent media, because with the stripped links partials are creeated immediately. It also gets evergreen torrents and all the bt community members back, as well an album maker and a torrent search function, which means to be like exeem ! Users do not know, if the torrent protocol is used or ed2k protoocl, just search for torrents in emule and load them. This has great markting potentials, that emuel can create and download torrents (though without the torrent protocol).

the torrent stripper is really cool. Thanks.
What the torrentaid.com would need, is to add http-download locations to the sha1 magent inside torrents. okt his is not emule, but you could store a file somewhere in http world, make a torrent, and load in shareaza over the sha1-magnet plus http-location the file, it will be avauilable as well with ed2k hash and the partials immediately are pumped over shareaza clients as well in ed2k from http.
Ok this feature is something not for emule, because they do not made torrentaid and sah1-http-extensionsis not their hash, but it would be cool, to store a mp3 at geocities http-url and make it an extension to the sha1 inside a torrent, this would allow as well trackerless anonymouse seedings for torrents downloaded over edonkey, if only one shareazaclient is downloading this torrent. it would be sseded over hattp and then over shareaza to edonkey. Just pastials throughn arround.

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 11:53 PM

You talk big.
When are you going to do all this?
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 12:57 AM

torrentaid code is there, soso made a torrent stripper, both is availabe and jsu tneed to be insertet to a wizzard in emule, who has coded emule, kan make this album creator in a few hours.
The extension is just theory, to add a http-location to the sha1-link/magnet in the torrent inside torrentaid. Torrentaid just coudl use a new step window to provide http-÷ocations for the multlifile(s) inside the torrent. But this is not needed. I do not know, if oyu can add an ip adress of a client to the ed2k hash or to add a http-download-location to the ed2k link, so magnets are not so bad, and it is an additionally concept. Http-downloads would work, which mean seed, over http and ed2k partials are created, so emule could benefit from that feature as well, But as said: it is just a way to seed from http. if the client can read sha1 and http.

Or do you mean the album maker for emule is a too bog new concept ?
Yes , i think this is a heavy ned and needed feature, and i would like to see it asap implemented, we need evergreen torrents, getting torrent community back to emule and emule announcing to read torrents and as well to search torrents like exeem. Emule is announcing with the album maker swallowing exeem and bittorrent at once and the benefit is to have more sources (cause the inside rared files are as well available for individuel download) and emule gets collections earlier thant shareaza.

The idea is then if established, if torrent-Albums have the c-drive or http-location added to the sha1-magnet, that maybe in the future as wel winamp can load them from the physical given path and use this as well as a playlist like m3u.

Emule will set a new standard with the albummaker function of torrentaid and torrent stripper.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 10:01 AM

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 11:24 AM

Btw exeem doesn't look up any torrents at all.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 11:59 AM

Andu, on May 1 2005, 11:24 AM, said:

Btw exeem doesn't look up any torrents at all.
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(and contains only shit & spyware)

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 07:17 PM

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both is not done in this album maker. emules ar enot connected to bittorent.
nor is the upload to bittorrent used for emule.
Only the torrents ed2k links made with emule album maker by trorentaid are used to download those links especially only in emule, and not connected to bittorrent, but: its magic, the partials wil be available !
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