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Feature: Zz Transferratiobalance Session ratio. More flexible limiting of download speed

#21 User is offline   CiccioBastardo 

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 06:28 AM

May be senseless for you, but not for the network.

So, yes, let's end the discussion here as this will never be removed.
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Posted 06 July 2005 - 07:58 AM

Hello,

can the ratio can be a global ratio ?
contrary of a session ratio !

Maybe it can help few people to use eMule without downloading to balance the gloab ratio !


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[edit: i don't know if i explain well ... ;) )

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 09:19 AM

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 10:02 AM

Firnus, on Jul 6 2005, 09:58 AM, said:

can the ratio can be a global ratio ?
contrary of a session ratio !

Maybe it can help few people to use eMule without downloading to balance the gloab ratio !


You're crazy Firnus :D, session ratio is the best thing in ZZUL !
Of course, people who don't understand ZZUL philosophia can't understand this.

If people don't want session, it's very simple : they don't use ZZUL code. No one is obliged to use it ! Of course, wihout a session ratio, some changes are forbidden in mods.

Yes 1:3 is quite restrictive. But a 1:4 session ratio in official would be a real improvment in fact. The real point is not to improve performance of users who dowload fast, but to improve the speed for people who have poor performance. Quite more usefull.

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 10:11 AM

Motte, on Jul 6 2005, 10:02 AM, said:

You're crazy Firnus :D, session ratio is the best thing in ZZUL !
Of course, people who don't understand ZZUL philosophia can't understand this.
I think ratio is very important !!

But why not a global ratio: just to push common user to do upload session !

(maybe it was discuss a long time, sorry if i made a mistake, but if it discuus on another topic , could you give the link of the topic)

I never bloqued due to session ratio .... just for testing sometimes, i try but it's very difficult .....

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 07:37 AM

Hej,

my Mod uses ZZul ratio, with wich I happily agree with, and there's two experiences I want to share:

1) ratio per UL-session, makes computer-/Mule crashing even suck more.
like my Mule ran for days and uploaded gigs and bam! I'm on ratio.
I know that this is not really a reason to change anything - I'm responsible for my computer not crashing. but there's other reasons to start/end sessions: new Mule, new Mod, some setting-changes only apply after restart ....

2) I share ADSL (128k up) with my roommates, and we've come to timeshift,
more or less every week, the next one get's the bandwidth up.
now when I hand over the line/upload, and I have some downloads with only few MB missing,
I let my Mule continue with 1kB up and 3kB down, but due to sessionbased ratio it's unlimited down
,which would work for days. calculate it: 3 GB upped at 11.5 kB/s, now only 1kB/s up - how long does it take to get under 10kB/s average. and there seems to be tolerance, it doesn't stop immediately when reaching 9.99kB/s up-average. I never had to let it run any longer - everything important finished.
(well, I don't let it run at unlimited, since that would for sure interfere with my buddy having more than 10kB/s UL)

To make it clear: official Mule does not behave that way, if my buddy (officialclient) sets UL-limit lower than 10kB/s the DL-limit get's restricted to limit immediately.

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But why not a global ratio: just to push common user to do upload session !
interesting idea: how to move people to have UL-sessions.
maybe some "bonus-points" for gigs uploaded with ratio better than 1:1 ?
could be edited/abused, I suspect.

bye, coluche

edit : sorry, I confused my mods changed morph/Zz-ratio combination with Zz-ratio itself

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 02:10 PM

When you restart your client, all the people in your queue looses their places, so I somewhat like the fact that this ratio-implementation discourage people from restarting their clients.

This ratio implementation doesn't care about average upload speed or anything but "bytes transferred up" compared to "bytes transferred down". As long as the ratio between those two are OK you can download unrestricted. When you hit the ratio, your download will be restricted no matter what upload speed you have (average or current).

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 06:56 PM

zz, on Jul 13 2005, 03:10 PM, said:

When you restart your client, all the people in your queue looses their places, so I somewhat like the fact that this ratio-implementation discourage people from restarting their clients.
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And what about mods that save client queue status? ;)
Though for a global ratio, I would restric that to 1:2.

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 07:31 PM

Well they have to live with this because there is no other solution to the problem currently.
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 08:35 PM

Ermmm.. which problem?
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 10:46 AM

So, for example if my upstream is even 100kBps, my downstream will be always limited if I reach that 1:3 ratio? I mean, isn't there anything like: if ur upload speed is more than 50kBps, ur download is unlimited even the 1:3 ratio is reached?

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 01:07 PM

NO!
It's FAIRER that way and it allows the usage of otherwise "illegal" features.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 05:46 PM

Note that it's much easier to fake global ratios than session ratios, because global ratios have to be saved to file somewhere. I've experimentally set my UL:DL to 100:1 with a few keystrokes to a textfile, but you can't do that to a session ratio.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:21 PM

A solution would be adding a CRC to the file. Then you need to modify the code to get around of the limitation (but t that point you can do it also for the session data).
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:55 PM

You could always revert to an older file when a CRC is used. I thinking of storing the data in the Windows Registry with a CRC.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 05:29 AM

heh, no wonder my downloads wont go anywhere, i was gettin 250kbs yesterday n today i cant get crap, i always upload at my max though!!!! around 36kbs. grrrrrrrrrr, this might not be the mod for me :cry: , at least this 1 feature

EDIT: Though you know my cumulative UL/DL is 1:1.40 so this isnt whats causing it??

Question, is it from the first first time youve started the program or just that session??? Thanks

EDIT: oops, 3 Xs what I upload as a max value isnt that bad, I never really pass that much anyway but lately its been super fast. But I havent downloaded anywhere near 3 times as much as my upload for this to happen.

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Posted 03 August 2005 - 07:22 AM

This feature has nothing to do with your "No download", as at least you are always able to get 3 times what you hare uploading.
That means you can get more than 100KB/s with your current upload speed.

Sure you have not done something wrong, like having restarted eMule too many times in a too short period so that you now are temporarly banned by your sources?
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 07:59 AM

Yea im sure, you have to read my other post, like theres a ton of people that sy 0kbs and whenever I get some they start off slow and stick around 1.6kbs, like there all exactly the same, n it increases little by little but nothing compared to the speeds i have been getting.
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Posted 03 August 2005 - 09:03 AM

You posted in the wrong thread nonetheless ;)
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Posted 04 August 2005 - 02:11 AM

ummmmmmmmmm ok???? :confused: yes sir mr sir, i wont do it again :cool2: lol, yea right :angelnot:

EDIT: Nice mod but it puts you at a disadvantage with this feature. I max out my upload at 38 n find my self at the 1:3 ratio in no time. Thats why I have all those stupid 0s, this mod is telling everyone nope, no ty, I dont need your dl, WTF?!!? I upload all I can but id like my crap to finish 1 of these years. If everyone had this then I guess it would be "better" but im not gonna say go ahead and upload that chunk to the next person.

Would be nice if this was optional. Now everyones gonna go no no no, you suck. lol, yea well I bet you smart bastards prabably modded this mod so you dont have this feature. If you could youd be dumb not to.

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