[Hashi]

Unknown1, on Jul 25 2003, 02:14 PM, said:

The eMule team does not condone the use of its client for illegal activities. Therefore, any discussion explaining ways to circumvent these organizations for the sole purpose to download illegal material will be deleted when found.

So, feel free to help each other, but my personal suggestion is to either comply with the letter or get a lawyer.

On a simular note. I am wanting to create some content for eMule's site.
Click here for more info.

Could you stop being so hypocrit about this.

The interest of a p2p networks whithout central servers was to avoid legal pursuits due to copyrighted material exchange.

In order to exchange "free" content it's more efficient to use a system with some central and caching servers and some p2p to gain bandwitdh and storage capacity. It also allows filtering based on copyright notices in order to ban illegal material.
eMule doesn't have these characteristics.

See http://forums.edonke...ght=jed+mccaleb for a serious discussion about the possibility "privacy/anonymity features of Freenet to eDonkey or Overnet"

History :
"eMule is a filesharing client which is based on the eDonkey2000 network." (www.emule-project.net)

"The Donkey is Born 09.06.00." Its main feature : "eDonkey does not have one central server" (www.edonkey2000.com).

At this time, it was becoming clear that p2p with central servers would have to close by justice decisions (July 26 2000 — "A federal judge today granted a temporary injunction barring digital music upstart Napster Inc." -(MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS SAN FRANCISCO, July 26)

[Keyto]

misczu, on Jul 28 2003, 05:26 PM, said:

is it possible to download with a spoofed ip?

Yes, it is possible but I don't know how

This post has been edited by Keyto: 28 July 2003 - 11:06 PM

[Elandal]

Can't you guys even google yourself?
Security Focus
CERT Advisory
IP-spoofing Demystified
SANS (PDF)
ISS

IP spoofing is using network protocol vulnerability. Therefore it's telecommunications disruption, and thus a criminal offense where laws about telecommunications disruption exist.

@ihos
I couldn't care less about what you do in the internet for as long as you use the basic protocols that make the network work in the way they're to be used according to standards. But the moment you start breaking standards, thus causing problems with the network's function, I'm really seriously ready to make you suffer in this life and the next.

@venom_il
OK, admitted. But I am really serious about the network's health. I need the network for my work. If network doesn't work as expected, I'll be forced back to much more expensive solutions - eg. leased line or frame relay. That's why I have two physically different network connections - if one goes down, the other still works.

@Hashi
Would you believe me in that working with eMule code is, to me, much more an interesting programming problem than providing others with ways they most often use to break laws? Even if I might share copyrighted material, I'm not here bitching about getting letters from RIAA or whatever. You share copyrighted stuff, and it's really your problem to deal with legal side.

The only way to gain true anonymity in the internet is to use proxy services in countries in which it's legal to completely hide someone's identity in the internet. They do exist, and they cost money.


OK, I'm off this thread.

[Keyto]

Elandal, on Jul 28 2003, 11:24 PM, said:

I'm really seriously ready to make you suffer in this life and the next.

hehe....now this is passion

This post has been edited by Keyto: 29 July 2003 - 12:04 AM

[gandagole]

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May I ask this then....

Since Kazaa is a centrally located server, similar to Napster without actually holding any files, the RIAA can go to the Kazaa office and attach their spyware onto their server(s) to see who is doing what, where and why.

Now, since I heard eMule/Doneky is Peer to Peer is there a way for the RIAA or any other company under the DMCA to do the same to this type of file sharing?

Please fill us in on how this could be done, if possible.

Thanks

Going back to the Kazaa/Donkey comparison, isn't being able to upload partially downloaded files (in donkey) but needing the complete file before uploading (in Kazaa) the main diff between the two? In terms of legality would sharing partially downloaded copyrighted stuff, which are not viewable/usable, still constitute a breach of copyrights?

[Colonist]

I've gotten a "cease and desist" message from my ISP. The MPAA tracked me via partial downloads. If I could force uploads to come from only those directories I manually select I wouldn't have this problem.
Both Shareaza and Kazaa Lite K++ allow me to do this.

[-=Jam=-]

gandagole, on Jul 29 2003, 12:43 PM, said:

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May I ask this then....

Since Kazaa is a centrally located server, similar to Napster without actually holding any files, the RIAA can go to the Kazaa office and attach their spyware onto their server(s) to see who is doing what, where and why.

Now, since I heard eMule/Doneky is Peer to Peer is there a way for the RIAA or any other company under the DMCA to do the same to this type of file sharing?

Please fill us in on how this could be done, if possible.

Thanks

Going back to the Kazaa/Donkey comparison, isn't being able to upload partially downloaded files (in donkey) but needing the complete file before uploading (in Kazaa) the main diff between the two? In terms of legality would sharing partially downloaded copyrighted stuff, which are not viewable/usable, still constitute a breach of copyrights?

At least it's enough for the RIAA to send you (your ISP) a nice letter!

[Vigilante]

Elandal, on Jul 28 2003, 05:43 PM, said:

I'll just send some nice guys who like the sound of bones breaking to visit you.

If you really know such guys, send them to RIAA or any other Anti Piracy Organisation.

-Vigilante

[Grendell]

Elandal, on Jul 28 2003, 09:33 AM, said:

copyright infringement is a civil offence.

Not if some people in the government get their way.

[graysky]

Congressmen for sale! Congressmen for sale!

Someone is in the industry's pocket.

[NynkeNL]

Why should I spoof my IP. Isn't a proxy a better idea?

I have IP-adresses installed in my (software) firewall and the IPfilter.dat updated very often. Is this enough protection?

Is poof: I go to your home and get your harddisk or is monitoring your data on the net enough? I think for real proof your harddisk is needed.

[danila]

Lone_punk, on Jul 28 2003, 11:42 PM, said:

But IP spoofingis domb in it shelf becouse like he said is brings down the network.

Yeah, sure. That's the same crap as "sharing MP3s makes artists starve and die from hunger". IP spoofing does not bring down the network and you should not believe it, just because someone said so. Do you own research.

IP spoofing might have certain negative effects, but as with everything, they must be compared with the positive ones. I think that positive ones will far outweight the negative ones and in any case the network is safe.

[emperor]

lol abit announced SecureIDE to keep RIAA away from your files take a look at it

This post has been edited by birk: 24 July 2004 - 10:31 AM

[drorsdd]

maybe this is realy dumb (dont get all over me now )
but what stops the RIAA to get their own emule/edonkey server (anyone can host a server right ?) and by that get all the ip's.shared files lists of all the users that are connected to this server--->sue everybody.
is this possible? or is there something i dont understand?

[emperor]

i am unsure if they can sue everybody without a proof
imagine this cases :
1)Computer has been used as proxy for downloading with edk2 (okay who'd use a proxy for downloads? slows up damn much and better take the risc instead of downloading with 5kb and 10 connections with your proxy ) ...the person being the proxy server would be sued although he/she has nothing ,therefore they can hardly do that
2)somebody is fakesharing
3)somebody/some company trying to spread wrong parts of a file
That is why ,most likely they need proof i think...? correct me if i am wrong

[shred]

Ok i received a nasty email from my isp about three months ago saying I was serving a certain game file on the edonkey network.
I removed the file and sent att an email stating i had.
Mondy I come home to find no cable internet connection.I call comcast and try to find out whats up.
Im told to call a certain number because Ive been suspended for breaking tos.
I finnally get ahold of the legal department and am told I had a complaint from the mpaa for serving a movie.
He turns me back on and tells me if Im caught sharing again,I will lose my account.
I dont want to lose my account,cable is my only hsi option.
Is their anyway to dl on edonkey without uploading the current file you are dl'ing?
I ve removed all copywrites from my shared file but Im afraid of uping the file Im currently trying to download.
Im not scared of downloading,seems the mpaa is only going after the people serving files.
Looks like I may have to use kazaa and be done with donkey.

[xylo9]

The next generation ABIT motherboards with hardware hard drive data encryption.
Will it work?

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SecureIDE connects to your IDE hard disk and has a special decoder; without a special key, your hard disk cannot be opened by anyone. Thus hackers and would be information thieves cannot access your hard disk, even if they remove it from your PC. Protect your privacy and keep anyone from snooping into your information. Lock down your hard disk, not with a password, but with encryption. A password can be cracked by software in a few hours. ABIT's SecureIDE will keep government supercomputers busy for weeks and will keep the RIAA away from your Kazaa files.

http://www.abit.com....OCNO=en_0307251

Edit:
That link seems to be dead now. Use this one (or search the Abit products for "SecureIDE") :
http://www.abit.com....=Specifications

PS: 40-bit DES is not enough. Internet Explorer uses 128 bit for secure sites.

This post has been edited by xylo9: 11 May 2004 - 11:36 PM

[zerobyte]

@shred: i wouldn't do that. kazaa is even less safe.

00h

[Shaggy]

use the peer guardian forums for:

tutorials on how to block ips for various firewalls

Peer guardian ofcourse

emule block list

Also use kazaa lite k++, as it has an inbuilt ipfilter which uses the same list as PG.

@xylo9, i heard that the boards are available now, but i can't find a retailer, anywhere!!!!

<<<<<<<<<CLICK HERE>>>>>>>>

This post has been edited by Shaggy: 01 August 2003 - 04:04 PM

[C02]

So If ive gained a simple understanding of this all, it is alright to download copyrighted files such as movies, songs, ect. Then if i store them on my comp and not share them i wont be nailed by any org thus avoiding any legel matters?

Is this right or do i not fully understand this? I just dont want to deal with any legel matters.

- C02