[fox88]

inman, on 02 July 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

irrelevant points about how Kad is more popular etc.

The real point was not popularity, but that it is silly to suggest not to use KAD, especially when a few people connect to KAD only.

inman, on 02 July 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

This suggests you think my point holds some validity.

Before discussing advanced topics, please try to understand simple written text first.
Just guess how smart you look when you do not get the meaning but readily jump to conclusions.

inman, on 02 July 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

By this logic, the big bang theory must be trash because it is not proven.

You know what logic is about, don't you?
If your initial point has no proof, it can be assumed to be false.
And that is the end of discussion; no matter what other bright ideas you have in your head.

inman, on 02 July 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

You used only one number and only one method of testing and you are still totally clueless about the how genuine the file is.

Actually there were 3 (three) numbers taken into acccount: number of reported sources, number of publishers and the trust value.
The rest of your sentense shows the same level of understanding.
Now who is clueless?

This post has been edited by fox88: 04 July 2015 - 01:37 PM

[inman]

fox88, on 05 July 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:

inman, on 02 July 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

irrelevant points about how Kad is more popular etc.

The real point was not popularity, but that it is silly to suggest not to use KAD, especially when a few people connect to KAD only.

It is just as silly to use Kad only, given it indexes less files and more slowly.
I never said it was silly to use Kad "but using Kad to search is not recommended if you want to avoid fake files." You are putting words into my mouth. It is however, silly to search on Kad, rather than the servers.

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Before discussing advanced topics, please try to understand simple written text first.
Just guess how smart you look when you do not get the meaning but readily jump to conclusions.

Again, conclusions I 'jumped to' based on years of experience of downloading fakes. Actually it was you who jumped to conclusions by saying both Kad and servers provide fake results. This is not an accurate statement. Kad provides MORE fake results. You then back tracked on that statement and argued that sources in Kad can be spammed, resulting in more fakes? I don't filter out spam results? Yet another conclusion you jumped to.

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You know what logic is about, don't you?
If your initial point has no proof, it can be assumed to be false.
And that is the end of discussion; no matter what other bright ideas you have in your head.

You ignore simple concepts: Files are named by humans & not my computers. Therefore, there is no guaranteed way to verify the file names, unless you know the hash of the file beforehand. Since this is impossible, without downloading illegal content from elsewhere & by chance finding a fake of that particular file, I am not going to do this. This method would also skew my results as I am limited to what I can compare based on these hash comparisons. Most hashes I can't find beforehand, and these are more likely to be the fake files. Screenshots are only partial verification and I am not taking screen shots of porn & other crap which fakes files turn out to be.

Now you see how difficult it is to "prove" anything?

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Actually there were 3 (three) numbers taken into acccount: number [sic] of reported sources, number of publishers and the trust value.
The rest of your sentense [sic] shows the same level of understanding. Now who is clueless?

Why don't you help the OP instead of arguing like a 4 year old, and spelling "sentence" like a 4 year old for the 2nd consecutive time?

For the record, I meant:
97 is one, meaningless, number.

You should perform one than one test to ensure reliability and to ensure the outcome is not an exception. Or did basic science lessons not teach you anything?

You should also at least draw a meaningful conclusion from this result and confirm whether the file(s) are real or fake. You still haven't and this is what you are clueless about.

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[fox88]

inman, on 05 July 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

Kad provides MORE fake results.

You failed to make that point valid.

inman, on 05 July 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

For the record, I meant:
97 is one, meaningless, number.

As usual, you do not read the whole text.
There was also 8(11), but who cares?

[inman]

You could neither disprove it or come up with another valid reason for my findings. I could not prove it. Therefore it's a valid theory. You can believe what you want about the networks and quote all the figures you want, since these figures have explained or accomplished very little.

Maybe try helping the OP?

[fox88]

inman, on 05 July 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

You could neither disprove it

You must have done that, not I.

inman, on 05 July 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

I could not prove it. Therefore it's a valid theory.

Theory, even valid? Hypothesis at best.
Obviously, logic and philosophy are way above your head.

inman, on 05 July 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

Maybe try helping the OP?

I tried; so far got no reply from OP.
Who is suggesting, by the way? The one, who fills topics with clueless messages; starting with: 'I can't provide an answer'.

[inman]

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You must have done that, not I.

Why would I argue against what I said? It was you who changed your views and argument, not me. You could have offered an explanation like 'maybe more sources and file names appear in Kad because they still appear after the user disconnects.' However you didn't and you failed to disprove it and assumed it was spamming, even though I have spam filter on. I also get fakes when I search for terms which wouldn't be spammed, like tags for releasers of files and forums. The file is legit and the tags are correct when the file appears in Kad, but the same file won't appear in a global server and search, and (in Kad) there are many more sources - and many other fake names - for this same file with the correct tags. This discredits your spamming theory.

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Theory, even valid? Hypothesis at best.
Obviously, logic and philosophy are way above your head.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theory
6. A hypothesis or conjecture. [from 18th c.]

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I tried; so far got no reply from OP.
Who is suggesting, by the way? The one, who fills topics with clueless messages; starting with: 'I can't provide an answer'.

For the record: Coluche also stated "he didn't know."
Notice how the OP also thanked me and not you.

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[fox88]

inman, on 06 July 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Why would I argue against what I said?

You might need to study something very basic, 'Logic for dummies' maybe.

inman, on 06 July 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

6. A hypothesis or conjecture. [from 18th c.]

Hypothesis is the right term here.
If you wanted to show that you already know about dictionaries, then you could see the very first definition of 'sentence' in Oxford dictionary instead of lame attempt at sarcasm.

inman, on 06 July 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

For the record: Coluche also stated "he didn't know."

Unlike you, Coluche was on topic.
No nonsense about quality of found files, which has nothing to do with described behaviour of eMule.

[inman]

Ok? Acting as a mod now are we? I am just going to leave this here and maybe you will see how you argued with yourself:

inman, on 26 June 2015 - 02:06 AM, said:

using Kad to search is not recommended if you want to avoid fake files. This is because a Kad search returns all the different file names from all the users using key words.

fox88 said:

I would disagree with the idea.
Any search can return fakes; while certain files could be found in KAD only.
There are indications how many peers know that particular name, and later name should be verified in file details dialog.

Later you then argue:

inman, on 02 July 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Why do you think, all the fake files on Kad have so many sources?

fox88 said:

Have you ever thought that these numbers could be faked?

inman, on 29 June 2015 - 01:35 AM, said:

Although, you still have not offered a satisfactory explanation as to why Kad searches bring up more sources and more fakes (since you dismissed my reasoning.)

fox88 said:

With all your years of experience, how could you miss spamming and other bad servers?

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[fox88]

inman, on 07 July 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

I am just going to leave this here and maybe you will see how you argued with yourself

Even if in your imagination I argued with myself, that still would not prove your point.

[inman]

fox88, on 08 July 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

inman, on 07 July 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

I am just going to leave this here and maybe you will see how you argued with yourself

Even if in your imagination I argued with myself, that still would not prove your point.

Offering reasons for points which directly oppose your original statement can be seen as arguing with yourself even if, in your imagination, this did not occur. You act like such a cocky smart alec but wouldn't make a very good defense lawyer would you?

Any new ideas/reasons to bring to the table, in regards to my search results, or this pointless discussion over?

[fox88]

inman, on 14 July 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Offering reasons for points which directly oppose your original statement

That is deviation.
May I point out that your original statement so far has no proof and therefore cannot be considered as correct?
Untill this matter is resolved, other points (yours or mine) are mostly irrelevant.
Those other points might have been discussed later, but not before the main point.

[Etementaki8]

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Just to share discovery about enigma, and what was the real trigger.

The file erased from Emil client actually remained available as corrupted part.met and was constantly downloading the same file. Each time I would erase the same from Emule as finished dnload, this file would simply reappear in dnload list without my knowledge. Once I’ve located corrupted met files, gone was my mystery. Perhaps long overdue, but maybe, just maybe, it might help someone, experiencing the same issue. Certainly the strangest occurrence I ever had with Emule.

@Fox88 and Inman, I hope you two became good friends by now? Certainly managed to stir the topic, in most unrelated way

regards and good Emuling

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This post has been edited by Etementaki8: 06 May 2016 - 07:23 PM