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What Happened To Emule? Last release April 7, 2010

#121 User is offline   fox88 

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 01:12 PM

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

I am aware of this so no need for the reminded.

Great writing style. How much your credibility dropped down? :P

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

Why would I prove something to you when it involves showing what I share?

Here two very different points are weirdly mixed together.
First, you should be able to explain your point of view, or you lose the argument; that is why.
Second, claimed years of experience appear to be limited to your shares and your pattern of usage only.
No, I do not need the list of your files.
You have yet to learn what are generalization and abstraction.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

1. To display the sources you must get a request (takes some time.) Doesn't matter - if no requests then no powershare.

I wonder why you might need absurd arguments?

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

By the time accurate sources are found

You never know when it is accurate, and the number of sources changes with time. Therefore that time is "never".
Also, you twice ignored my question about huge discrepancies in numbers.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

All these limitations are small

Only your honest word proves it is small.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

I hate to break it to you but you use opinions and not just facts. Quality of files is largely opinion:

Again you start babbling instead of thinking first.
What if it is universal opinion? Should be good enough.
Trivial examples of unwanted files might be fakes, poorly encoded media, broken archives, protected files without password/access key codes.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

Never said Oxford dictionary wasn't credible. Another assumption. I was talking about that comment on that blog that I didn't agree with.

You just ignored Oxford it at first, remember?
Instead, for no reason, you wrote that British rules differ from American.
While that might be true, it does not mean there is difference in that particular rule.
Again, your logic is nonexistent.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

FYI: Here's a quote from "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" (Lynne Truss): "A colon is nearly always preceded by a complete sentence, and in its simplest usage it rather theatrically announces what is to come."

You just cannot read at all, can you? Shall I translate from English to English for you?
"Nearly" means "not always". In ofther words, there are cases where different rule might be applicable.
"Simplest usage" means that more complex rules do exist in English language.
I already suggested you to visit Cambridge site; but you ignored that too.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

Since colons are early always preceded by complete sentences

Pathetic.
Use more Latin, laugh more at guides, discuss credibility ...
Usually I would not care, but you behaved like a snob.

View Postinman, on 05 August 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

Try doing some real reading

The very first example from Oxford dictionary site:
That is the secret of my extraordinary life: always do the unexpected.

Would you rather learn proper English rules instead of 'for dummies' version - before arguing?
And I repeat: the very first example (second example would do too, though).
Ain't that you who needs real reading - or even basic reading skills improvement for starters?
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Posted 06 August 2015 - 04:27 PM

On powersharing (relevant to the discussion:)

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You never know when it is accurate, and the number of sources changes with time. Therefore that time is "never".
Incorrect, the time is not never. The sources count on the transfer window makes alternations on the number, frequently. Also it is very rare that the sources change drastically over a short period of time. Emule is not BitTorrent remember? Files don't usually spread very quickly.

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What if it is universal opinion? Should be good enough.
Then you would need to prove it is universal opinion. Questionnaires please.

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First, you should be able to explain your point of view, or you lose the argument; that is why.
Incorrect. I have already explained, several times, by point of view. An explanation is different from proving it.

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Second, claimed years of experience appear to be limited to your shares and your pattern of usage only.
An assumption. I could have taught many friends and family members how to use Emule and they could report similar accuracy for the sources count.

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No, I do not need the list of your files.
You would, since the easiest way to prove it would be to compare Emule's to Peerates' stats for the files.

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Trivial examples of unwanted files might be fakes, poorly encoded media, broken archives, protected files without password/access key codes.
Popular files could be this also. In fact, since fakes have many different file names and therefore appear in many different search results, they are more likely to spread and be popular. It is a common misconception to trust file names based on popularity on the search results alone. That file name might be a popular file with many varying and different file names. Your point also ignores HD files are, generally speaking, less popular and these of course are much better quality.

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I wonder why you might need absurd arguments?
Because you ignored request(s) in your contrasting figures on source numbers, and attacked me a couple of times on the very matter.

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You have yet to learn what are generalization and abstraction.
An irrelevant assumption.


On spelling/grammar (irrelevant to the discussion:)

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Great writing style. How much your credibility dropped down?
Since you misquoted me with "nearly", quoting me correctly at first before replacing it on the second quote with "early", the only credibility that is being lost is your quoting skills.

FYI here at the correct quotes from you (complete with spelling and grammatical errors). If mine has dropped down then yours must have plummeted.

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You just ignored Oxford it [sic] at first, remember?

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In ofther words, [sic] there are cases where different rule might be applicable.


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Use more Latin, laugh more at guides, discuss credibility ...

Perhaps it is you who needs to learn some Latin to show quotes have been transcribed, correctly, as they were.

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You just ignored Oxford it at first, remember? Instead, for no reason, you wrote that British rules differ from American.
While that might be true, it does not mean there is difference in that particular rule.[/b] Again, your logic is nonexistent.

That was not my point so my logic is irrelevant (but, since you attacked me for it, I shall address it anyway.) Since you missed my main point I'll reiterate it: You preach about trusting things but you trusted that comment without knowing of the other rules, which it is largely dependent on. It is largely dependent on that rule because using British English you capitalize (e.g if it's a proper noun or to introduce speech) rarely, and the Americans frequently capitalize after colons. So, yes it is largely dependent on that rule.

With that cleared up, (in your quote directly below) you should have capitalized depending on British/American English because "eMule" is not proper noun (or does it even begin with a capital despite it being a name) and there is a complete sentence after the colon. So please do keep up the poor trolling about my logic - it does depend on the rule in this case. Americans would capitalize and Brits would not. FYI I ignored "Oxford" because I thought it was a reference to your nationality.

View Postfox88, on 19 July 2015 - 06:46 AM, said:

You need to go back to school: eMule cannot know this.


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"Nearly" means "not always". In ofther words [sic], there are cases where different rule might be applicable.
I know as I stated there are exceptions - such as lists. Maybe it's you who needs to brush up on his reading skills.

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The very first example from Oxford dictionary site: That is the secret of my extraordinary life: always do the unexpected.
The Oxford quote is correct because Oxford dictionary is a British source. You still refuse to understand this.

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 01:17 PM

Do you really discuss spelling here?
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Posted 07 August 2015 - 02:42 PM

View PostTuxman, on 08 August 2015 - 12:17 AM, said:

Do you really discuss spelling here?


Perhaps if it was better moderated it wouldn't have gotten this out of hand. Fox88 is rude, immature, cheeky, condescending, patronizing & arrogant and starts these pathetic arguments going. Fox88 is far from a 'wily old fox' and is nothing but an obvious troll.

Back to the worthless discussion at hand. After all arguing for a powershare is 'beating a dead horse' right?

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Posted 07 August 2015 - 03:20 PM

Your behavior depends on the activity of moderators to stop you? Interesting.

On-topic: Powershare is overrated IMO. There should not be a major difference between files you share and files you actually want to share. Clients need a better source selection instead of a better target selection.
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Posted 07 August 2015 - 09:20 PM

View Postinman, on 06 August 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Since you misquoted me with "nearly"

I did not.
For about two days everyone could enjoy your typo; and you fixed it after my message (see edit time).
You are a liar, sir.
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Posted 08 August 2015 - 07:21 AM

View Postinman, on 07 August 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

Perhaps if it was better moderated it wouldn't have gotten this out of hand. Fox88 is rude, immature, cheeky, condescending, patronizing & arrogant and starts these pathetic arguments going. Fox88 is far from a 'wily old fox' and is nothing but an obvious troll.


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Posted 22 August 2015 - 07:35 PM

@Fox88 (On universal opinion of powershare):
Most eMule software has a powershare feature (source: https://en.wikipedia...onkey_software) so surely it is universal opinion that powershare should be a must? Where did you even get the evidence that "use of powersharing automatically on every file... assumed to be rare is a bad idea" is universal opinion?


View PostTuxman, on 08 August 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:

On-topic: Powershare is overrated IMO. There should not be a major difference between files you share and files you actually want to share. Clients need a better source selection instead of a better target selection.


I disagree - it's not what you want to share - powersharing is sometimes the only way to share. The only way to share a low demand file is to: A) unshare all your other well spread, popular files (leaving the low demand file(s) in) or B ) To powershare the file. If you unshare all your other popular files (leaving a few scarce files on powershare) then your upload is (likely) not going to be used to maximum efficiency. So powersharing is a better option. This is probably the main reason why a powershare function was introduced to mods. You may argue there is the release function but that only works for releasing high demand files with many requests.

Also, (ignoring any abuse) even if you want to (mostly) share certain low sourced files in comparison to high sourced files, then this does not happen as the effect of powershare is minimal. This is because most select files with many sources. A simple test you can do is to share files with lots of sources (10-20), (30-40) etc. and see how much is transferred on "auto" priority, and compare how much is transferred (both with and without powershare) for rare files with sources of (0-1) (1-2) etc. I always find that, even with powershare on for the files with very few sources, popular files on "auto normal" and "auto low" transfer more simply because the requests is far, far greater.

A better source selection? Exactly. Why would you want to start a download for a file with very few sources as you run the risk of it never completing? The best way, currently, is to start many files with few sources and you may get lucky on a few and the pay off will be worth it. How many people want lots of rare files? Not many. So most are left with the option of: A) Leaving Emule running for a long time to get one rare file that may (or may not) complete. or B ) Download a few popular files & one or two rare files. Usually the popular files complete quickly, and the rare file still needs to finish. So, again, more and more high sourced files need to be added in order for it to be worth the Emule runtime. Since the runtime for completion of a 1-2 sourced file can be months, not everyone wants to keep adding more and more files in order for the runtime to be paid off (with complete files.) Electricity bills are a major factor - it can cost you more in electricity to run Emule than to buy whatever scarce file you are downloading.

Assuming most share both files with scarce sources and files with many sources, in order for sharing to be efficient, low bandwidth should be allocated to sharing 9MB for popular parts and high bandwidth allocated to powersharing for rare parts/files. In cases where a user is only sharing many files with scarce sources, powersharing should still be used. I would rather see files with few sources (or a source that rarely comes online) have a greater chance at completion, by pushing them all through straight away. I have cancelled many files I started with few sources (never seen complete for months/years) and an auto powershare would improve completion rate. By only sharing ~9MB parts on files with 1 source the downloader runs a high risk of the file never completing.

Finally, I think slowing down the speeds of popular files (by introducing auto powersharing to the official client) will also force more users to share it for longer as more bandwidth is used for low sourced files. Rather than, what happens currently, which is download high sourced files at high speeds and performing a 'hit and run' (immediately/soon after unsharing the quickly obtained file). 'Hit and runs' will happen when powersharing rarer files, but I would rather have that than a high risk of an incomplete file or it taking months/years. Just my opinion.


View PostTuxman, on 08 August 2015 - 02:20 AM, said:

Your behavior depends on the activity of moderators to stop you? Interesting.

Fox88's behavior. If someone attacks you about logic, grammar, going back to school etc. it is only natural to defend yourself.

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View Postinman, on 06 August 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

Since you misquoted me with "nearly"

I did not.
For about two days everyone could enjoy your typo; and you fixed it after my message (see edit time).
You are a liar, sir.


Read what I said again. All I basically said was your quoting skills are questionable based on you quoting 2 similar quotes of mine without making it clear which was the correct one and which wasn't (with the usage of "sic".) And, since you (sarcastically) said I should use more latin terms, I thought I'd point it out that you are the fool for not using the latin term and making it clear.

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colons are early always preceded by complete sentences


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colon is nearly always preceded by a complete sentence


Since they are so similar, how does one know that the above quotes have been transcribed correctly and not edited out?

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 12:06 PM

Let me insert my 5 cents about queue and rating problem of eMule.

Disclaimer: most of the time i use bittorent network for file sharing and downloading. So i will use terms "seed" and "leech" here and hope you understand what i mean.

At 2011 i try to use eMule to download a rare anime release. There was only two sources of the files and only one of them was online 24/7. I run eMule for several days but can't leech a byte, just waiting in vain on the queue. Then i leave PC with eMule to work for about a 48 hours, but can't leech a byte again. All what i achieve is to decrease my QR from 4-digit to 2-digit result.

Only after i wrote a personal message to the seeder and he agree to add me to his friendlist, i can start to leech. If you think that, this is a good practice for a file sharing network, you are wrong. So, despite of great advantage that eMule have with his file searching engine, now i always try to find a file in the bittorent network first.

Once more about rating system in a file sharing network:

Some time ago, a popular bittorent tracker administration decide to discard their rating system that was used to "promote users to seed files". In fact, the system restricted users who don't seed "enough" from leeching. There was a big discussion on the tracker forum. Many and many members said: "Without the motivating rating, the file sharing will crumble to dust because no one will seed anything".

Few years passed. The file sharing on the tracker don't stop. Why?
1. If the user base is big enough, there always will be dedicated seeders that seed because they know that it is important to support the file sharing network, or just because they can seed.
2. Most of leechers use unmodified bittorrent clients that are by default set to seed at full speed any file that is now downloading or previously downloaded but not deleted/moved. So, even if a leecher leaves the network just after he leech what he desires, that is not a big trouble, because he supports the network while he is in.

So, instead of using a restricting rating system that can give a very bad experience to the beginners, a file sharing network must focus on increasing the user base. That means (among other activities):
  • Release a new version of client with working "out of the box" bootstrap routine. A newbie user must be able to connect to the network instantly, w/o reading manuals and browse web.
  • Review the rating system to make it less impact to newbies experience, and think again about removing the rating system at all.
  • Review the file searching (and may be file indexing also) rules to allow more flexible search. Try to search the "U-Boat" term with eMule, and may be you understand the problem.
  • Actualize file content analysis and promote users to leave ratings and comments, because this supports the eMule main benefit (vs bittorent) - the builtin file search.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 07:44 PM

View PostYHorror, on 20 October 2016 - 02:06 PM, said:

Try to search the "U-Boat" term with eMule, and may be you understand the problem.

I searched boat u; results:
- 131 results, global(servers).
- 520 results, kad: 50 with u-boat inserted in the filter on-the-fly.

This post has been edited by xilolee: 17 November 2016 - 08:46 PM

INCONCEIVABLE! - You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 12:11 PM

View Postxilolee, on 21 October 2016 - 12:44 AM, said:

- 520 results, kad: 50 with u-boat inserted in the filter on-the-fly.

I try to search for "boat u" several times, every time i get exactly 300 hits and most of them are filtered out by entering "u-boat" as the filter. For me, that means two things:

1. I for sure miss some interesting hits because 300 hits every time seems as a limitation that i can't ease (because i don't know how, even if it is possible).

2. I put the unnecessary load to the KAD network, having it to perform a search with more than 90% garbage results.

So, why can't i ask the network for "u-boat" directly, in the first place?

If it is "by design", then it is a bad design that need to be changed.
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Posted 30 November 2016 - 09:18 PM

I don't know.
Maybe it was more difficult to include some characters in the kad search.

I re-tried the search (using emule0.50b beta1):
- global method, string boat u, 1693 results (using the more button), 135 results with u-boat typed in the on-the-fly filter.
- global method, string "u-boat", 135 results.
- kad method, string boat u, 547 results, 43 results with u-boat typed in the on-the-fly filter.

Emule runtime: 1 day and 7 hours.

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INCONCEIVABLE! - You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 08:39 AM

View Postxilolee, on 01 December 2016 - 02:18 AM, said:

I don't know.
Maybe it was more difficult to include some characters in the kad search.

I think, this is because KAD search is words-oriented. Any string you entered in the search field is interpreted as a word or starting part of a word. Try to search any common word, then the same string without the starting letter, then without the last one: "rebirth", "ebirth", and "rebirt" for example.

The symbols prohibited in the KAD search ()[]{}<>,._-?!:;\/ (and space also) are treated as word-delimiters. But at least for "-" it is a mistake. There are some words that contains hyphen as an integral part of them, like "U-boat" and "X-ray". They are hard to find with such a limitation. There are also complex words concatenated by hyphen that have separate meaning from their parts, like "man-eating". Searching by parts of such a word will also give many unnecessary hits.

The trouble get worse if looking worldwide: some languages use hyphen much more often than the English.

I personally think that words-oriented search in the file-sharing network is a big mistake at all. The search should allow to find any string of characters allowed in filenames.

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 06:30 PM

I'm Portuguese, I do not speak english, it would be easier for me to explain everything in Portuguese! Sorry

I will use a translator to try to get my message!!

Much has spoken here, but the solutions have always existed!
I would like to know who really has the power to modify problem developers officers or modding!



the own for example developer davidxantos could fix the problem because he doesn't?
<_< :devil: :devil: :devil:

ed2k is a protocol that you can work on it, you have the power to modify it, but you don't have the will to do so! :ph34r:

Something difficult to do to remove the limitations of upload? 9.28mb... why? upload limited time in hours? why?
Esperar mais de 1 dia para receber 9.28mb? why
If the credit system works because eMule has upload/download limiters?
You have the power to remove the ed2k limiters and make it big as he could be!!
I don't understand how you can criticize your entire system and can you do better for ed2k network. You know, you know create why not do better?

There are many excuses to make eMule as he is!! :devil:



I pay work of programmer, if you do a simple mod!

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What is eMule?
At dawn of May 13th 2002 a guy called Merkur was dissatisfied with the original eDonkey2000 client and was convinced he could do better. So he did. He gathered other developers around him, and eMule Project was born. Their aim was to put the client back on track where eDonkey had been famous before, adding tons of new features and a nice GUI. They couldn't imagine what impact this decision would have...

As of today, eMule is one of the biggest and most reliable peer-to-peer file sharing clients around the world. Thanks to it's open source policy many developers are able to contribute to the project, making the network more efficient with each release.



We can move into history again :thumbup:


eMule v0.50b

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Add:remove restrictions to download
Add:ICS
Add:prioritize the user with 0%

Very easy for you! It's not possible? Then give me build mephisto v2.2, remove limiter from 255 chunks, to unlimited!
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Posted 07 December 2016 - 11:10 PM

View PostYHorror, on 01 December 2016 - 09:39 AM, said:

I think, this is because KAD search is words-oriented. Any string you entered in the search field is interpreted as a word or starting part of a word. Try to search any common word, then the same string without the starting letter, then without the last one: "rebirth", "ebirth", and "rebirt" for example.

The symbols prohibited in the KAD search ()[]{}<>,._-?!:;\/ (and space also) are treated as word-delimiters. But at least for "-" it is a mistake. There are some words that contains hyphen as an integral part of them, like "U-boat" and "X-ray". They are hard to find with such a limitation. There are also complex words concatenated by hyphen that have separate meaning from their parts, like "man-eating". Searching by parts of such a word will also give many unnecessary hits.

The trouble get worse if looking worldwide: some languages use hyphen much more often than the English.

I personally think that words-oriented search in the file-sharing network is a big mistake at all. The search should allow to find any string of characters allowed in filenames.


it is not trivial to do what you mean on a distributed hash table like kad. Indeed is so not so trivial that more crowded protocols, like torrent, do not have by standard any search except by hash. One has to rely on websites (and more importantly, google) to find something. It is a completely different, non-p2p, approach.

Anyway KAD requires words of of length 3 at least and uses only one for the main search, the suggestion is to use the longest part of the title, then the other words will be used as filter. Again one can filter that afterwards with the additional filter in the search tab.

So for example: "Why the allies won, richard overy" likely I should search either by overy (non-common long word) or "allies won" where allies is used for the actual search and won will be the first filter.
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