[megawaves]

I used emule for a several years, but i miss on it, a manager for upload slot.. let me explain the situation, when your connection have a small capacity to upload, this feature will allow u to earn more credits on minus time. For example when u have 32kb/s for upload, u can manage it to 6kb/s slots or other configs, to upload faster to your clients... dont say trying mods, (im already using), i want it for official emule. It will be usefull to small connections, real emule users will love it, those connections are around the 75% of total.

cheers, and thx for your time

This post has been edited by megawaves: 05 November 2011 - 10:49 PM

[Link64]

If you upload at 32KB/s you get "credits" for exactly that amount of data (if the clients you are sending the data to have the credit system enabled), nothing ist going to change that.

This post has been edited by Link64: 06 November 2011 - 08:52 AM

[megawaves]

perhaps, but with this u can manage how much time u will spend on every upload , im talking on our connection possibilities

let me explain the thing:

u have 40kb/s upload capacity, limited to 32kb/s:

now emule has auto gestion upload manager. it works by itself... with manager:

version 1: u can have 8 slots at 4kb/s, it will take several time u will take your credits faster than auto manager u will upload allways at same speed
version 2: u can have 4 slot at 8kb/s, this will take minus time, of other version, u will get credits from your uploads faster, and still uploading to every client at setted speed
version 3: all u want of managing your uploads . Emule is a sharing files app.

cheers

PD: Im now at 64kb/s connection, if i have the normal feature..upload a chunk takes around an hour, with this feature, (its setted to 6kb/s) i upload a chunk every 40/45min. I know i can be faster but i setted limit to 40kb/s, because there are other pcs here.
Best setting will result splitting your upload: 40/5=8 (5 slots at 8kb/s) too fair, it will be at all of your bandwitch, 40/6=6,66.. (6 slots at 6kb/s), will be good, it will keep allways connection to u, and others on your connection... 40/7=5,7 (7slots at 5kb/s), too slow and for me too many free bandwitch; i love sharing files for others

This post has been edited by megawaves: 07 November 2011 - 07:48 AM

[Link64]

megawaves, on 07 November 2011 - 03:08 AM, said:

Emule is a sharing files app.

Good point. So actually it shuld not have any credit system at all. Unfortunately that's the only way to get some of the users to upload more than just 10KB/s.

Anyway, your calculation with gettig credits by a specific source faster is only correct for the first few downloaders at the begining of each eMule session, after that it does not matter. Assuming ideal conditions, if you have 4 slots @8KB/s the first 4 will be indeed ready faster than with 8 slots @4KB/s, but the other 4 will be ready exactly at the same time in both cases.

[megawaves]

Link64, on 07 November 2011 - 08:47 AM, said:

megawaves, on 07 November 2011 - 03:08 AM, said:

Emule is a sharing files app.

Good point. So actually it shuld not have any credit system at all. Unfortunately that's the only way to get some of the users to upload more than just 10KB/s.

Anyway, your calculation with gettig credits by a specific source faster is only correct for the first few downloaders at the begining of each eMule session, after that it does not matter. Assuming ideal conditions, if you have 4 slots @8KB/s the first 4 will be indeed ready faster than with 8 slots @4KB/s, but the other 4 will be ready exactly at the same time in both cases.

its good allways, if u have a connection with 128kb/s upload capacity, try doing the thing, its valid for every connections, too small connections can manage it too, to their wanting config, uploading to one user by 6kb/s, two users at 3kb/s or three users at 2kb/s , bytheway, look:

128 full capacity, 75%= 96kb/s <--limit for your emule

96/6 = 16 16 slots at 6kb/s
96/7 = 13,9 13 slots at 7kb/s
96/8 = 12 12 slots at 8kb/s
96/9 = 10,6 10 slots at 9 kb/s
96/10 = 9,6 10 slots at 9 kb/s
96/11 = 8,7 11 slots at 8 kb/s
96/12 = 8 12 slots at 8kb/s
....
96/16= 6 6 slots at 16kb/s
....

u will be faster with 6 slots at 16kb/s than if u set 16 slots at 6kb/s, with 6kb/s chunk take around 45min... with 16kb/s it will be around 16/18mins.
Only u want to know how much fast u want to upload, this feature will do the rest...

cheers

PD: Upload chunks at 6kb/s takes around 45min... if u have lower setted speed it takes an hour, now we start thinking... on a hour... u will upload one chunk, but i already have uploaded one and already had started other...ill have more credits than u. I'll upload more chunks than u on a same time session, i keep emule running allways , now think about.

PPD: This is if u and me have same connection with same capacities. If not, it not possible

This post has been edited by megawaves: 08 November 2011 - 12:53 AM

[fox88]

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 03:23 AM, said:

128 full capacity, 75%= 96kb/s <--limit for your emule

Let's be consistent and use capital B for bytes. By the way, in most cases you could use 80%, which gives additional 6-7KB/s for 128KB/s.

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 03:23 AM, said:

PD: Upload chunks at 6kb/s takes around 45min... if u have lower setted speed it takes an hour, now we start thinking... on a hour... u will upload one chunk, but i already have uploaded one and already had started other...ill have more credits than u. I'll upload more chunks than u on a same time session, i keep emule running allways , now think about.

Aa I see, you want to get more download while giving out the same amount of upload. Now think about the network as a whole: you will not increase total upload - not even yours. Where from you're going to get additional doanloaded amount, which is equal to uploaded one?

[Link64]

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 01:23 AM, said:

u will upload one chunk, but i already have uploaded one and already had started other...

Yeah, only I have started the other chunk already together with the first one. If we were both uploading at 96KB/s than we were both uploading 96KB/s = 337,5 MB/h = 8100MB/d. And nothing is going to make more out of it. If it was that simple to get more upload to the network by simply reducing the amount of upload slots, I'm pretty sure it was already implemented.

[megawaves]

fox88, on 08 November 2011 - 06:46 AM, said:

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 03:23 AM, said:

128 full capacity, 75%= 96kb/s <--limit for your emule

Let's be consistent and use capital B for bytes. By the way, in most cases you could use 80%, which gives additional 6-7KB/s for 128KB/s.

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 03:23 AM, said:

PD: Upload chunks at 6kb/s takes around 45min... if u have lower setted speed it takes an hour, now we start thinking... on a hour... u will upload one chunk, but i already have uploaded one and already had started other...ill have more credits than u. I'll upload more chunks than u on a same time session, i keep emule running allways , now think about.

Aa I see, you want to get more download while giving out the same amount of upload. Now think about the network as a whole: you will not increase total upload - not even yours. Where from you're going to get additional doanloaded amount, which is equal to uploaded one?

not at all, i need to manage all my upload capacity, i put files to download when i want *some* . Sorry for kb/s are Bytes ^^. I need more credits, it will means im a big "sharer" of files on mule.

eMule v0.50a

Transfer
Session UL:DL Ratio: 386.72 : 1
Session UL:DL Ratio (Friends UL excluded): 386.72 : 1
Cumulative UL:DL Ratio: 1 : 1.60
Uploads
Session
Uploaded Data: 3.01 GB / 3.50 GB
Uploaded Data to Friend Slots (Session): 0 Bytes
Active Uploads/Needed to fill Bandwidth: 6
Total Uploads: 11
Waiting Uploads: 2002
Upload Sessions: 580
Total Overhead (Packets): 50.53 MB (864.29 k)
Cumulative
Uploaded Data: 1.632 TB
Upload Sessions: 249623
Total Overhead (Packets): 66.52 GB (987.00 M)
Downloads
Session
Downloaded Data: 7.97 MB / 1.67 GB
Completed Downloads: 0
Active Downloads (chunks): 0
Found Sources: 10
Download Sessions: 2
Gained Due To Compression: 10.71 MB (134.4%)
Lost Due To Corruption: 0 Bytes (0.0%)
Parts Saved Due To I.C.H: 0
Total Overhead (Packets): 32.54 MB (556.99 k)

Link64, on 08 November 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 01:23 AM, said:

u will upload one chunk, but i already have uploaded one and already had started other...

Yeah, only I have started the other chunk already together with the first one. If we were both uploading at 96KB/s than we were both uploading 96KB/s = 337,5 MB/h = 8100MB/d. And nothing is going to make more out of it. If it was that simple to get more upload to the network by simply reducing the amount of upload slots, I'm pretty sure it was already implemented.

perhaps ^^, but think about we are saying... 1 chunk 1 hour, 24 chunks every day, 1 chunk/45mins... its more ^^. we must measure in "chunks" chunk type is different on every file .

Edit: All conections are different, my best time for upload a chunk its 45mins, or around, if i use normal emule, it takes an hour or near... if i use upload manager i save 15 mins on every upload, its too much time... . The capacity of every connection its allways same, but u can manage how much time will take upload every chunk. If i have bigger connection surely ill share more and more ^^, and save more time for upload to others . This is spirit of emule

cheers

This post has been edited by megawaves: 08 November 2011 - 10:56 AM

[fox88]

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

1 chunk 1 hour, 24 chunks every day, 1 chunk/45mins... its more ^^. we must measure in "chunks"

More? 8100MB/day is roughly 900 chunks/day (9MB per chunk). That's all you can manage in a day, no matter if you use 3KB/s or 9KB/s slots.
Due to credits you might be able to shift somewhat the bandwidth usage towards downloading files, but the average amount of change (compared to current state) is not clear. Besides, credits give only a limited improvement for your queue position.

This post has been edited by fox88: 08 November 2011 - 11:58 AM

[megawaves]

fox88, on 08 November 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

1 chunk 1 hour, 24 chunks every day, 1 chunk/45mins... its more ^^. we must measure in "chunks"

More? 8100MB/day is roughly 900 chunks/day (9MB per chunk). That's all you can manage in a day, no matter if you use 3KB/s or 9KB/s slots.
Due to credits you might be able to shift somewhat the bandwidth usage towards downloading files, but the average amount of change (compared to current state) is not clear. Besides, credits give only a limited improvement for your queue position.

bytheway link and me were talking about an 128kB/s connection... for manage all the thing.. but im not at this... my connection is small connection, only 64kB/s for upload capacity.. manager allows me be faster at uploads than normal emule, on same pc and same connection. I dont mind if i can use or not my credits... i want share my files with others. if u had a look on my statistics... u will understand what im saying .

I know what if u upload to one client, your credits will be usefull if this client have *some* of your "wanting" files, but if he not has, credits are useless... I repeat again, i dont mind if i can use or not credits .. i want to share.

cheers

This post has been edited by megawaves: 08 November 2011 - 05:51 PM

[Link64]

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

perhaps ^^, but think about we are saying... 1 chunk 1 hour, 24 chunks every day, 1 chunk/45mins... its more ^^. we must measure in "chunks" chunk type is different on every file .

What's that for silly calculation? If you want to count something, do it right. Back to two of your examples:

1. 96KB/s total, 6x 16KB/s slots
-> 9500KB / (16KB/s) = 593.75s per chunk (in 1 slot)
-> 86400s / 593.75s = 145.5 uploaded chunks per day per slot
-> 145.5 chunks/slot * 6 slots = 873 chunks per day

2. 96KB/s total, 16x 6KB/s slots
-> 9500KB / (6KB/s) = 1583.3s per chunk (in 1 slot)
-> 86400s / 1583.3s = 54.57 uploaded chunks per day per slot
-> 54.57 chunks/slot * 16 slots = 873 chunks per day

So, where are your additional chunks per day now?

[megawaves]

Link64, on 08 November 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

perhaps ^^, but think about we are saying... 1 chunk 1 hour, 24 chunks every day, 1 chunk/45mins... its more ^^. we must measure in "chunks" chunk type is different on every file .

What's that for silly calculation? If you want to count something, do it right. Back to two of your examples:

1. 96KB/s total, 6x 16KB/s slots
-> 9500KB / (16KB/s) = 593.75s per chunk (in 1 slot)
-> 86400s / 593.75s = 145.5 uploaded chunks per day per slot
-> 145.5 chunks/slot * 6 slots = 873 chunks per day

2. 96KB/s total, 16x 6KB/s slots
-> 9500KB / (6KB/s) = 1583.3s per chunk (in 1 slot)
-> 86400s / 1583.3s = 54.57 uploaded chunks per day per slot
-> 54.57 chunks/slot * 16 slots = 873 chunks per day

So, where are your additional chunks per day now?

lool, u are thinking when u are uploading at same speed, on normal emule, its not true... work of manager is keep upload speed to setted speed. This things are applied by manager, now u understand a bit more the thing.

Like im saying, upload one chunk on normal emule, takes an hour... day has 24 hours, 24 chunks uploaded by slot, then, with upload manager, it takes 45mins... its the "silly" calculation, try see how long takes upload a chunk with your emule, then try with manager... time is better, u have more time to upload other chunks.

This post has been edited by megawaves: 09 November 2011 - 12:13 AM

[fox88]

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

my connection is small connection, only 64kB/s for upload capacity

I had 128/64kbit/s connection - with Low ID as well, so you cannot tell me anything new here.

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

manager allows me be faster at uploads than normal emule

The difference (for example) between two 3KB/s slots and one 6KB/s slot is that in the first case you'll have 2 uploaded parts in one hour, and in the second case you'll have 1 uploaded part in half an hour, and the 2nd part in one hour - provided that your peers could accept 6KB/s upload! That's all; nothing like you would upload 'more'.

This post has been edited by fox88: 09 November 2011 - 06:53 AM

[megawaves]

fox88, on 09 November 2011 - 06:52 AM, said:

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

my connection is small connection, only 64kB/s for upload capacity

I had 128/64kbit/s connection - with Low ID as well, so you cannot tell me anything new here.

megawaves, on 08 November 2011 - 08:49 PM, said:

manager allows me be faster at uploads than normal emule

The difference (for example) between two 3KB/s slots and one 6KB/s slot is that in the first case you'll have 2 uploaded parts in one hour, and in the second case you'll have 1 uploaded part in half an hour, and the 2nd part in one hour - provided that your peers could accept 6KB/s upload! That's all; nothing like you would upload 'more'.

I never have low ID since im using emule, im using it since v0.42f, allways i have seen high id. Now to thing: u had this connecion, the id nevermind, u have same capacity if u have lowid or high, the difference between one slot at 6kB/s and two slots at 3kB/s its if u haave two slots at 3kB/s u will spend 2x45min, if 6kB/s 45mins, seems not much different, but its WITH manager ^^. This is the work of this feature, keep the uploading speed, try use normal mode and later use manager mode, u will get surprised . This is the reason for wanting upload manager to REAL emule.

cheers

This post has been edited by megawaves: 09 November 2011 - 09:33 AM

[Link64]

megawaves, on 09 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

lool, u are thinking when u are uploading at same speed, on normal emule, its not true... work of manager is keep upload speed to setted speed. This things are applied by manager, now u understand a bit more the thing.

Like im saying, upload one chunk on normal emule, takes an hour... day has 24 hours, 24 chunks uploaded by slot, then, with upload manager, it takes 45mins... its the "silly" calculation, try see how long takes upload a chunk with your emule, then try with manager... time is better, u have more time to upload other chunks.

If you are so sure, that you can upload more per day, show it with numbers like I did, anything else pointless.

This post has been edited by Link64: 09 November 2011 - 11:03 AM

[megawaves]

Link64, on 09 November 2011 - 11:02 AM, said:

megawaves, on 09 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

lool, u are thinking when u are uploading at same speed, on normal emule, its not true... work of manager is keep upload speed to setted speed. This things are applied by manager, now u understand a bit more the thing.

Like im saying, upload one chunk on normal emule, takes an hour... day has 24 hours, 24 chunks uploaded by slot, then, with upload manager, it takes 45mins... its the "silly" calculation, try see how long takes upload a chunk with your emule, then try with manager... time is better, u have more time to upload other chunks.

If you are so sure, that you can upload more per day, show it with numbers like I did, anything else pointless.

u will make me reinstall normal emule, your numbers are nice but, allways with same upload speed, like i said. This is NOT true on REAL emule, without upload manager ^^, u didnt tryied i said... im zzzzzzzzzzzz too









sorry for the cutted parts i ve a really personalized emule
cheers

This post has been edited by megawaves: 09 November 2011 - 11:54 AM

[Link64]

And what exactly shall I look at on this pictures? In the 2nd one I even don't see the total upload speed, so it's useless.

[coluche]

After 2 dozen or so posts, I still have no idea what megawaves wants -
slotfocus ?
slotfocus with max.speed-per-slot-limit ?
slot-number-limit ?

slotfocus :
The first has been discussed so much already - noone ever seriously claimed that emule would upload more bytes/ time using slotfocus.
I do think that it helps my eMule by reducing active (transferring)connections, thus giving my rotten router a higher chance of not overheating /jamming, but else ...


slotfocus with max-speed-per-slot-limit :
Doesn't this or that Stulle-Mod offer this ? Once again, I am sure noone ever said this would make eMule upload more bytes/ time.

slot-number-limit ?
has been explained and discussed here : http://forum.emule-p...al&fromsearch=1

whatever, I don't see how anything besides individual net access capacity or compression could result in more useful bytes transfered per time.
(overhead to me is negligible)

This post has been edited by coluche: 09 November 2011 - 02:22 PM

[megawaves]

then have a nice see on pics... u will see the difference.. on normal emule speeds are so differents... sometimes its really slow... this for the pic no1, for the pic no2 see, four uploads are over 6kB/s (have upload manager at 6kB/s, it manages the slot speed to minimum 6kB/s). Its easy to understand.. i want to upload to my clients fast and good... im using xtreme mod like u saw on pic... but i want this manager to normal emule, i really love it.

i ve tried with normal emule, uploads speeds are so differents and time to upload sometimes its too large... by manager time for uploads allways around 45mins (im allways talking about uploading one chunk and on my connection, for others statitics are different, on bigger connections times will be shorter and on smaller connections time will be larger)

this is all.

PD: I said u dont say use mods... im already using one ^^. I want this feature on REAL emule. I want to manage all my uploads. I want to share with others. I want to use REAL emule, and i think that this feature will be really usefull to emule users. This feauture will set how long will take upload a chunk with your emule, now this is not possible. This wantings are all covered with upload manager

PPD: Manager allows manage your uploads u want many slots to upload u can set it to low speed and u can have many slots uploading, if u want upload fast, u can set it on same manager at high speed, it will means minus slots uploading, and short time when uploading chunks. Im not talking about limiting uploading slots, im allways saying manage speed.

cheers

This post has been edited by megawaves: 09 November 2011 - 03:23 PM

[Link64]

So what you actually want is "slotfocus with max-speed-per-slot-limit"? Well, besides some very special cases like the one from coluche, that is just a cosmetic thing, you don't upload more to the network, you don't do it "better" (whatever that shall be in case of data transfer), it's just a different slot opening strategy invented for people like you... if you just want to share your files like you write, there's nothing wrong with the official version, it uploads just the same amout of data as a mod with slotfocus, it's doing that just in a slightly different way.

From the point of view of the downloading clients it's just "wait few minutes longer and then download at higher speed", the download is however completed at the same time in both cases, except for the few clients at the beginning of your eMule session. So... nevermind.

And since this is just a cosmetic thing, we really don't need it in the official version, there's no need for one more thing people can mess around with. The automatic slot-opening-thingy was changed in the last (?) version, so it's opening now less slots on higher connection speeds than before, that should be enough for the average user.