DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
That is actually a personal insult because a good friend of mine works there as a police officer on a regular basis and he is not a hoodlum. Besides, nobody forced any of the people to be there. You have no idea what happens and what is portrayed in the media. Go and insult the people who burn property of the DB AG and still protest something that has been acknowledged by a majority of the people in that state!
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
Stulle!
We are talking about the case where teh judge already hended aout warents to search all homes in an entire block.
And the question is if you still would think that is ok, and if not. Why dont you apply the same logic on IP logging?
No, you are. I already said that I think it is highly unlikely you will even find a judge who is willing to give you such warrants. And yes, if some judge did I would acknowledge it because that is also part of being a responsible citizen: not fighting the state!
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
What about sextoys in a bedroom drawer, throw them away? wouldnt that me a limitation on personal rights.
Don't live like a bum. If you are ashamed of them put them away. If you are not, you won't be ashamed of having them out in the open when the police comes to your house. I for one don't let stuff that is embarrassing to me lie around in my flat.
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
Buy a home, never live in a rentet flat, i never did, and i belive i couldnt, without the liberty to make wholes in wals and modify my electrical system i think i would go mad.
Well, lucky for you. I am living in a rented flat like a considerably large percentage of the people but I used to live in my parents house. Either is fine for me. My point was a different one. My point was that there are already exceptions where your home is not as sacred as you would want it to be.
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
And in all probability you wouldnt got cot, but share one of his MP3's and you are screwd for live.
The internet should be at elast as anonymuse as the real live.
Again? Seriously? Can you actually come up with something new? Change the bloody protocol. It's not the states fault or the ISPs fault that you need to leave an IP with the other party you communicate with. And yes, you would get caught if you left your details. That was the whole point of my analogy. You leave your bloody IP behind and you have to be aware of that before you do anything foolish. Don't change how things work, change what can happen to you because of it! That is my whole idea I am trying to get across to you? Do you even understand me? Should I paraphrase things more? Just tell me...
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
So what about storrign the DNA data of a mass DNA test?
Why not, it doe snot harm you you say and it will help to catch rapists in future.
Again, there is no need to leave DNA when talking to people. The internet works differently and if the possibility exists and it can help to solve crimes it should be used.
Stop mocking me like the fool you seem to be. The internet is a tool and as such it is exploited and we are talking about countermeasures of such exploit. Nobody is asking you to use it. If you use it be aware of the consequences it has. Your IP will be logged. Period. I told you before, the internet is not your playground and your actions in the internet will have consequences if they were wrong. This is entirely different from having a DNA sample from anyone person on this planet because they are a lot less anonymous when they stand before you and give you shit then they are in the internet. This is exactly why the internet is mistaken for a playground and you want it to be anonymous. So you and the-likes of you can keep on toying with the powerful when you have no power whatsoever.
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
Assume the government would make such a law, for your new pass you need to leave your DNA in a central database.
All that to catch bad bad rapists.
Would you be ok with that?
I would be okay with a mass DNA test which has already been performed numerous times in Germany. After that test the DNA samples and information was deleted. Just the same with any logged data. You are blowing things immensely out of proportion with that example. The DNA is your body. Your IP is just a number. Your name is just some letters. Bringing them together identifies a persona. DNA identifies a being. So comparing these two in the way you so desperately try to is not even close to appropriate. Besides, the information of IP and persona is not even brought together until somebody asks for it which is also another aspect of data security.
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
And if not, than how is that different form storing your IP by the State or your ISP?
See above.
DavidXanatos, on 22 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:
My simple point is the same as with the mass house search.
Eider you say everything the state says including mass DNA tests and mass house search is OK if the state says so.
Or sou say that in this cases you screw the state and try to fight it or leave the country.
if the lather than it is really only a very minor Mather if the state going to far is set at "mass house search" or at "mass IP logging"
It is really as simple as that.
See, black and white. I am not saying everything is okay or everything is not okay. I say proportions and balance is important. Something you utterly lack. I am even starting to think you are incapable to make a morally sound judgment on this matter because you are too blinded by your ridiculous thrive for anonymity out of lower urges. The urges to do unlawful things without facing consequences. The problem is not that laws are enforced. The problem is that some laws are utter crap. And instead of actually fighting the people who make these laws and who benefit from them you put your mind to just one thing. Fighting the people who
have to enforce them and their means in trying to do so. That is just as unjust as suing the shit out of "petty thieves".
Get some proportions in your world view already. And get the picture of your real enemies straight. Everything else makes you just the laughing stock of those who have the power to give you another wind mill once you tore down the last one. The problem is not the police, the judicature and their measures, the problem is the legislative which allows laws to be passed that are unjust and benefit only the content industry.
This post has been edited by Stulle: 22 February 2012 - 05:47 PM