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#181 User is offline   awdrifter 

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:55 AM

View Posturalhan, on 01 May 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

View Postcoluche, on 03 April 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostSome Support, on 09 February 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

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What should be in the next version is however a fix for faster uploading together with asynchron / threaded reading of partfiles. This is on CVS already for quite a while, waiting to be tested in a beta. But still I cant say when the next version will be released. Pretty sure within this year, maybe before eMule's anniversary.


not sure about eMule's birthday - May ?

The mule's 10th anniversary - May 13th 2012.

View PostSome Support, on 03 April 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Better go with the "within this year" part - thats safer :) Birthday can be found on the front page

What about making an official page for the celebration of emule's 10th birthday? :clap:


Is there a 10th anniversary edition eMule being released?
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 06:05 AM

View Postawdrifter, on 14 May 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

Is there a 10th anniversary edition eMule being released?

With golden harness? :)
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:27 AM

View Postawdrifter, on 14 May 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

What about making an official page for the celebration of emule's 10th birthday? :clap:


Nooo nothing, it is normal!
Not a site or magazine said that emule has reached 10 years
Why we need to change the official page for the celebration of emule's 10th birthday? The oldone is not still good?
Why we need a new version after 2 years? The oldone is not still good?

But why we lost clients?
But why I can not find the number of sources that I found once?

Ok, I am sarcastic now, but I no longer accept senseless answers (imho and without any offenses).
Emule is a fantastic opensource project, where coders are not paid and are their real jobs and their private affairs.

If someone has the good sense to say that we no longer have programmers it's ok, but I no longer can to hear answers that I've heard until now.
I love eMule, it is running in my PC 24/24 for at least 8 years, and I think that it's time to say: "We have a problem".
If you want to say that all it's ok, it is your choice, but it'snt the right way to solve the problem...(and all is NOT ok!)

Just my 2 cent.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 09:07 PM

I fully agree "We have a problem". But who wants to do better and faster job than "Some support" is doing? If you are the one, prove it by doing the better next version and get majority of the users into it.

There are performance issues and the program simply cannot cope with new Internet speeds and new file sizes. Internet speed at my home is 300Mbps real, no strings attached, but emule can only upload at 20-30 mbps maximum, some mods can do it better but way far below the current uTorrent speeds that can do close to wire speed. This is the main reason why there are long wait times etc., users not utilizing their wires. I think, performance is the very main problem, because the primary purpose of this program is to get file.

Another performance issues are related with AICH subsystem. Too many hashes for file sizes like 4GB, 8GB or even 20GB, the many hashes system itself is not needed anymore as its faster to push over network 9MB again than to try to keep a lot of information to recover parts of 9MB from many hashes. I believe chunks must be used in 9MB pieces only, so AICH must be eliminated and hashes replaced to SHA-512 based from each 9MB, or other reliable hashes, as MD5 only hashes are no longer safe. Just the idea, but the reason is speed, speed, speed. 1Gbps wire speed support is needed.

The secondary thing is new GUI interfaces coming, like new Metro GUI on Windows8, WinRT, and also rise of Apple customers. Linux unfortunatelly not managed well in this world, number of users (in %) decreasing over last years... features like chat or irc support look outdated (they never worked good anyway).

The problem is that we have no volunteers who can work to create best program in the world without payment. If there are any willing to revive eMule as best P2P program, everyone can do the fork out of current 0.50a, and release new program so that if its really better and simper to use, then the community will switch from old to new and keep going with new version ahead. Until this happens, say thank you for "Some support" for the free of charge job he is still doing time to time.

Myself I am using emule nowadays just to get some song, as the search is convienent and MP3 arrives in manageable time. Everything bigger than that goes via torrents only and I get close to instantly. Even torrents are not needed nowadays so much, especially for video that is replaced by streaming on demand instead of downloading. Even for music, its because of old eMule habit, because its probably simpler to find the song on YouTube, and download the song as MP3, thats how my kids are seldom downloading music, but usually they use online music services. They and their friends know nothing about eMule and do not want to, they see no purpose...

So the big question is if we even need better development than we have today. Emule is non-commercial project so there is no any purpose to waste development resources competing with other solutions that are already working better. Still this old nice program with lot of nostalgia will live here for some time, probably more and more as content archive tool for the "older generation"...

In other words, probably just feel free to use Skype instead of asking for someone to improve IRC window and chat window in the eMule to become better communication tool than the Skype. And this will continue unless someone will do it better than Skype does it today. Quite a challenge to do, without payments.

Lets not start a "word wars" here, this is just one opinion anyway, and it will change nothing. I wrote it just to pay attention that proposals to others to do free of charge job much harder usually will not work. We either must do the better and free of charge job ourselves, or we can only say "thank you" to those who are still working, trying to keep alive this old program with many sentiments.

BR,

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Test purpose: Compare the upload speed between eMule and Morph programs.
Used versions: eMule v0.50a and MorphXT v11.0
Test methodology: Two tests were performed.
Firstly we compared the speed of uploading only one file to one peer. The same file was shared by rotation in Morph and eMule clients and it was downloaded with eMule v0.50a. The configuration was identical in both clients and the file was uploaded to only one testing peer. Several tests were performed and the average upload speed calculation was made.
Secondly we compared the upload speed to many peers on public network. A popular files were shared on public network with Morph and eMule clients. Morph and eMule clients were ran by rotation and after 30 min. was taken reached upload speed and the amount of connected users. Both programs were ran in the same folder so the configuration and shared files in both cases were the same. Several tests were performed and the average data was calculated.
Disk was Intel SSD 2.5" 160GB.
Results:
First test (one file – one user): Average upload speed on Morph client was 5.6 MB/s, whereas on eMule 2.6 MB/s.
Second test (many files – many users):
Avg. Up. Speed Avg. Users
eMule v0.50a 2.9 MB/s 36
MorphXT v11.0 7 MB/s 30

For comparison:
uTorrent v.3.01 uploads close to gigabit wire speed, even with one peer (37MB/s on 300Mbps Internet link, above 80MB/s on gigabit link)

Findings: Morph program uploads files more efficient than eMule v0.50a. Both cannot upload close to wire speeds.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 02:14 AM

I wonder when people here will stop insisting that the UL/DL speed is directly depending on the used P2P network.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 02:10 PM

@Algis Petraitis

I think there are a few aspects to consider.

Sometimes it is easyer to restart from scratch with a new architecture, than continue development on old client.

One could start a kick starter project for a next gen emule and collect payment for the development, no need to do it for free.



eMules main issue is its credit system that causes the most of the networks upload to be alocated to heavy full time users only, leaving next to nothing for casual users.

BT is much more egalitarian here despite its being actually a file traiding application, on BT you always get soem uplaod form the very begin no need to wait for hours and hours.



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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:17 PM

View PostAlgis Petraitis, on 03 June 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

I fully agree "We have a problem". But who wants to do better and faster job than "Some support" is doing? If you are the one, prove it by doing the better next version and get majority of the users into it.


Right :)

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There are performance issues and the program simply cannot cope with new Internet speeds and new file sizes. Internet speed at my home is 300Mbps real, no strings attached, but emule can only upload at 20-30 mbps maximum, some mods can do it better but way far below the current uTorrent speeds that can do close to wire speed.

I'm pretty sure i mentioned this already in this thread, but this particular problem is already fixed on CVS (by including threaded, async reading and determining wether to use compression or if the speed is too high) and will be in the next version - so that the official will at least be as fast as the mods which did some work in the area.
I do not think however that there are many users how max out the current eMule upload capacity, speeds like yours are not common.

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Another performance issues are related with AICH subsystem. Too many hashes for file sizes like 4GB, 8GB or even 20GB, the many hashes system itself is not needed anymore as its faster to push over network 9MB again than to try to keep a lot of information to recover parts of 9MB from many hashes.

No that is not an issue. Hashes are not shared on the network by default but only the masterhash. Only if a corruption has been detected, the subhashes are requested from another client. The only ressources used are CPU time when creating the AICH hashset (which only happens once) and storage for keeping them on the disk. And 9MB more or less DO matter for rare files.

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The secondary thing is new GUI interfaces coming, like new Metro GUI on Windows8

We will see about Metro. I don't think it will do well on desktop however I do admit an option metro GUI would probably nice to have just because (but right now due to the limited develop time, this is unlikely to be done by us I think).

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The problem is that we have no volunteers who can work to create best program in the world without payment.

The "problem" is that P2P file sharing isn't just the new thing it was 10 years ago, so there are of course less devs who want to do it just for fun. But no doubt out closed core development team doesn't makes it easier. I already discussed this in another thread sometime.

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So the big question is if we even need better development than we have today. Emule is non-commercial project so there is no any purpose to waste development resources competing with other solutions that are already working better. Still this old nice program with lot of nostalgia will live here for some time, probably more and more as content archive tool for the "older generation"...


It should also be considered that there are very few projects which manage to stay "fresh" over a decade without alienating its older userbase and several ones failed trying just this (in the commerical sector, Norton comes to my mind :) ). That doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice if there would be more active development on eMule though...

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:22 PM

@Some Support

why not upload slotfocus the standard system in the official client?



If you change your system back ed2k upload believe that success of 10years!
I really like eMule and I'm a fan of slotfocus!


Please consider this feature in the official introduction.  Is not justified at present to use the official standard of low-speed slots ..
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:42 PM

There is no "standard" Slot Focus system. Please also remember the disadvantages of focusing your slots, like worse spreading of multiple files at a time.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:07 PM

View PostTuxman, on 05 June 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

There is no "standard" Slot Focus system. Please also remember the disadvantages of focusing your slots, like worse spreading of multiple files at a time.

well, then, perhaps you (not YOU ofcourse) could make it a standard eMule upload system. at least that's what our, ever hard to understand, friend sonoro suggested here.
also, let's give him a credit atleast for being true to his believes.

and out of curiosity now...
speaking of believes, is there some hard evidence for the ever declared unsuitability of Slot Focus as general upload system? and by Slot Focus i mean the full application like ZZUL/MorphXT
has anyone tried to comprehend the scenario when it would cover most of the network?

is the slower spreading of multiple files/chunks at a time better than faster rotation of clients in upload allowing them sooner getting and spreading full files/chunks ?
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostjerryBG, on 06 June 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

well, then, perhaps you (not YOU ofcourse) could make it a standard eMule upload system.

Use beba. :P

View PostjerryBG, on 06 June 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

is there some hard evidence for the ever declared unsuitability of Slot Focus as general upload system?

Basic thinking.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

View PostTuxman, on 06 June 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

View PostjerryBG, on 06 June 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

is there some hard evidence for the ever declared unsuitability of Slot Focus as general upload system?

Basic thinking.


Basic thinking is not evidence for anything.

Human thinking is as a Mather of fact scientifically irrelevant, only reproducible experimentally verifiable evidences are relevant.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:45 PM

So what is your argument?
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:54 PM

View PostTuxman, on 06 June 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

So what is your argument?


Present evidence, measurements or at least realistic simulationsfor your clams,
that slot focus is a bad idea.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 07:05 PM

View PostDavidXanatos, on 06 June 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

View PostTuxman, on 06 June 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

View PostjerryBG, on 06 June 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

is there some hard evidence for the ever declared unsuitability of Slot Focus as general upload system?

Basic thinking.


Basic thinking is not evidence for anything.

Human thinking is as a Mather of fact scientifically irrelevant, only reproducible experimentally verifiable evidences are relevant.

i cannot agree more here, and, actually, David left me no unspoken and sound response available here :D

except perhaps ... basic thinking is what usually keeps the belief unchallenged and alive
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:55 PM

Slotfocus has nothing to do with the uploading bottle neck.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostTuxman, on 05 June 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

There is no "standard" Slot Focus system. Please also remember the disadvantages of focusing your slots, like worse spreading of multiple files at a time.



I see more advantages than disadvantages to the whole community eMule default slotfocus! Improved speed on ed2k, much more pleasure to use ed2k!

The lost speed slot, can be gained from compression of the file to receive!

I think they want to do with slow intent eMule file sharing persists longer in the usurers!But I think differently, united in our upload desepenho would have a good download, concentration slotfocus was working, we would all gain!


If you receive a chunk to 200KB / s, and I'm also sending a 200KB / s would not be advantageous for the network, multiply it by many more sources, where we see the downside?

DavidXanatos said:

Present evidence, measurements or at least realistic simulationsfor your clams,
that slot focus is a bad idea.


DavidXanatos, you can prove it with neoloader, if thou wilt, launches with a super slotfocus and will have mixed network as proof of work

Also think that is afraid of leeching, but with all usurers slotfocus use as a means of propagating this would be a lesser evil, since there is still leeching always survived and network with them on stage!
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:13 AM

View Postsonoro, on 06 June 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

DavidXanatos, you can prove it with neoloader, if thou wilt, launches with a super slotfocus and will have mixed network as proof of work


As I already sad Neo loader will use a high speed per slot, but not focus all the speed on one single slot,
For example with a 100 kb/s upload line a slot speed would be at 10 to 20 kb/s.
But more important this value will be configurable by user so if you want you can set your line speed as slot speed and have slot focus.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:40 PM

@DavidXanatos


It's nice to have option of choice, without doubt, but is by default you can prove that all can be shared quickly so independent software used!

People want to share fast and get fast, imagine the number of seeds with high-speed slot, nobody will need to take refuge in the protocol "http". If you can get the same speeds with p2p sharing whole world. :respect:
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 01:33 PM

View PostDavidXanatos, on 04 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

One could start a kick starter project for a next gen emule and collect payment for the development, no need to do it for free.


Very good idea!
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