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#121 User is offline   fox88 

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:31 AM

View PostDavidXanatos, on 13 February 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

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I wonder, which are those most civilized countries in your opinion?

For example USA befoure 9/11 with they "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine.
They can not use any evidence gathered illegally, and for all surveillance measures they need a judge approval.

I expected you'd call USA. Let's leave for your homework to learn how many government agencies spied on american citizens or why senator Joseph McCarthy is so famous.
That again clearly shows how little you know about real world.

View PostDavidXanatos, on 13 February 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

They can not use any evidence gathered illegally, and for all surveillance measures they need a judge approval.

In your dreams, David.
Here you have one more logical problem. To start a surveilance you need an approval, but to get the approval you already need evidence. That initial evidence obviouly was aquired without judge's permission, hence you cannot use it.

View PostDavidXanatos, on 13 February 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

You completely missed my point, which was that when your are sending something through the postal system, you can do this as the sender completely anonymously, by stating non or a fake return address.

It is understandable why you need to fake the return address when you are sending a bomb. Would you fake it when sending valuable things (gold bullions, Picasso's paintings... whatever)?

This post has been edited by fox88: 13 February 2012 - 06:32 AM

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#122 User is offline   DavidXanatos 

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 07:00 AM

@Stulle
I'm not trying to mock your intelligenc.

We seemingly just have a fundameltan different standpoint to what analogy in the real worls an IP is to be compared to.
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If I was up to something bad anybody could make a photo or take a photo from a public camera's recordings and issue a warrant for me.

As I wrote thats wrong, because the police does not have a photo of every citizen to compare the recording to.
Thats the whole point. If you are not already somehow a suspect they can not use the photo to identify you.

Logging every users IP is like forcing every citizen to have his photo or DNA taken by the police in case someone comes along with a photo or a DNA sample.




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Let's leave for your homework to learn how many government agencies spied on american citizens.

But they did that illegally.

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To start a surveilance you need an approval, but to get the approval you already need evidence. That initial evidence obviouly was aquired without judge's permission, hence you cannot use it.

You can acquire evidence without illegal surveillance, for example if someone reports a crime or you research legally a crime seen.

This post has been edited by DavidXanatos: 13 February 2012 - 07:04 AM

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#123 User is offline   fox88 

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

View PostDavidXanatos, on 13 February 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

But they did that illegally.

Past tense here is inappropriate because they never stopped.
What an excellent example of perfectly civilized country, allowing massive illegal activities against it's own citizens.

View PostDavidXanatos, on 13 February 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

You can acquire evidence without illegal surveillance, for example if someone reports a crime or you research legally a crime seen.

Can you?
For simplicity, let's put aside what you think is illegal surveilance for a while. For example, someone reports: 3 armed men in masks robbed bank and fled. No photos, no IDs and fingerprints, virtually nothing. If perpetrators are first-timers or never get caught before, there should be no previous records. That means, you even don't have a starting point, but without judge's permission you cannot gather information; it would be illegal.
Then what, do you expect the judge allows you to spy on everyone just because you're clueless?
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Posted 13 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

View Postfox88, on 13 February 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

For simplicity, let's put aside what you think is illegal surveilance for a while. For example, someone reports: 3 armed men in masks robbed bank and fled. No photos, no IDs and fingerprints, virtually nothing. If perpetrators are first-timers or never get caught before, there should be no previous records. That means, you even don't have a starting point, but without judge's permission you cannot gather information; it would be illegal.
Then what, do you expect the judge allows you to spy on everyone just because you're clueless?


And guess what, IP longing is in fact spying on everyone, thos it shouldn't be legal.

If you don't have a starting point, well, than you don't have a starting point, end of storry.
It does not give you the right to spy on everyone without a judge's permission.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

View PostDavidXanatos, on 13 February 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

If you don't have a starting point, well, than you don't have a starting point, end of storry.

Try to be honest at least once; you should have written: 'I have no idea how police works, but I will tell them how they should'.
It's pretty much the same with every statement of yours (no proof, no connection with raal life), but as long as you are hearing only your own slogans, the discussion is quite useless.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:56 PM

View PostStulle, on 12 February 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Radical change is not something we can afford in our civilization if we want to retain peace amongst ourselves. Look to northern Africa and look to Greek! Unless you want a similar situation in all of the western world you will have to come to terms with the idea that the internet is not the playground you want it to be. And in order to not be that playground there is a necessity to implement measures that allow tracing users.


Of course that's not true or even sensible and betrays a (natural) zero knowledge on the reasons that have set Greece to the current state she is. The reasons is precisely the unwillingness of Greece to make radical changes against the destructive Socialist system introduced by Andreas Papandreou (the father of George Papandreou, the former prime minister). A system that destroyed my country's competitiveness and made the government employee the most coveted job offering in the market. A system the made the Socialist Unionist the most powerful decision maker, above parliament and above justice. A system that undermined a much respected Academia (for a small country) to a mess of protests and politics.

Were we afraid to overthrow these policies ? The fear of another junta was strong and the addiction to lending stronger. But it was no fear. After the mid 80s, people had started speaking against that system, about an impending catastrophe. But those were immediately branded as paranoid or funny figures or just philosophical eggheads; besides, how could the system be wrong ? The socialist unionist in an expensive Boss suit, unlocking the expensive Mercedes or BMW in front of his suburban house was the proof of everything going great. Thus, the press and the media, at least the vast majority of them, were always against any thought of layoffs in the government sector, privatization of state monopolies, or even application of existing laws about destruction of private property during unionist protests.

Change was impossible.

Only during the last 3 years did I notice some turning of events, thanks to the free Internet. For example a blog that revealed the past experiences of Socialist politicians: most of them were illegally hired as government employees without any contest. Of course when this blog started gaining notoriety, legal threats ensued. The blogger decided (even if Google could guarantee some protection) that he could not risk his peace of mind and got the blog down.

There is another example. Michael Liapis, one of the most funny people in the Greek political spectrum had tried to remove the videos which proved his incapacity to act normally from youtube. Little did he know of p2p; I and many others had already moved the files to eMule and the videos could be found there. Eventually the videos reappeared on youtube as it was obvious that the truth could not be hidden.

In short I believe that you have your facts completely twisted.

It is exactly the lack of those tools that should be blamed (aside from the major culprit which is us) on the issue. Therefore, it's not a free Internet that may endanger a state to destabilize but the lack of it. If you don't want a similar situation to "northern Africa" and "Greek" then make sure that you do your part change bad policies as soon as possible. The free, unmonitored, Internet is one of the tools available.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:32 AM

Actually I don't and you seem to misunderstand me. I am saying radical change brings civil unrest. This is the exact same thing you claim in your second sentence.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:52 PM

You think that "radical change brings civil unrest" but what I am clearly saying in the second sentence is that prevention of radical change (especially that which rises from free speech) can result in far greater civil unrest, eg Greece wouldn't go bankrupt had there been radical changes even in the past decade. Greece isn't the only example. Your country has been the prime example of this problem in the past.

The problem is that "radical change" has been long considered a synonym for communism which again is mistaken. Greece has the only surviving Communist Party in the EU and the communists dread the radical changes that Greece is finally making...
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:02 PM

That is a whole different story and does not concern what I have been trying to say. Our society has to adapt and I acknowledge that without any hesitation. However, if such change is to come about it will have to come gradually instead of radical or else we will experience civil unrest. This is all that I was trying to say. I was never trying to discuss the reasons for the problems in Greece or northern Africa because they simply are of no concern to me in the discussion I was having with David. Don't make it about anything else, if you don't mind.

Also, I do not take "radical change" for anything else than just that. I don't concern myself with ideologies (such as Communism) that cannot work with humans being the way they are... greedy, selfish and hungry for power. I am not even excluding myself from these characteristics either.

This post has been edited by Stulle: 15 February 2012 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

Can we simply agree on the fact that anonymous communication and those file-sharing is important and legit in any democracy.

No Mather if it is used for violating copyright or leaking Collateral Murder videos.

Therefor implementing IPv6 for better VPN Support is a legit development goal?

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

I told you it is a legit goal, I just said it is not a strong argument to unduly hasten the implementation of IPv6. Gee does anybody even bother to read what I am saying?
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:16 PM

View Postpanos, on 15 February 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

You think that "radical change brings civil unrest" but what I am clearly saying in the second sentence is that prevention of radical change (especially that which rises from free speech) can result in far greater civil unrest, eg Greece wouldn't go bankrupt had there been radical changes even in the past decade.

Only if you leave no other choices but 'no changes' and 'radical changes'.
If you have time (in most cases decade is long enough) you can do changes gradually. Of course, doing nothing or making wrong decisions finally might require no less than radical changes.


View PostDavidXanatos, on 15 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Can we simply agree on the fact that anonymous communication and those file-sharing is important and legit in any democracy.

No, we cannot simply argee.
Any democracy is too vague notion (I am not even sure you can properly describe it).
Why file-sharing is so important for democracy if democracy existed before internet?
Furthermore, if legit here means legitimate (not against the law), then always check with current local laws - it could be different from your expectations.
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:39 AM

Besides, VPN means encrypted connection to a server.
Who ever controls the server at the other end of the encrypted connection can sniff your traffic.
So to be "anonymous" you must connect to a VPN service that sits out of reach for the authorities you are trying to avoid.
Plus, since those VPN services can't be much distributed, they become a single point of failure like old ed2k servers.
Taking control of one means to take control of a large chunk of the network all together.

Guys, if you want to be "anonymous" and/or if you are concerned of the authorities, like Police knocking your door at night or some drone sending an hellfire missile in your way, you should better stay away from any electronic device and to not connect to the Internet.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 04:57 PM

when a new version that will use only kad and no servers?
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:05 PM

Disable servers, done? :rolleyes:
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

View PostTuxman, on 24 February 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Disable servers, done? :rolleyes:


No! :P Because there are about 800.000 users that user fake servers....and after they share faked files even in kad!
Fake server are online from very long time and...you haven't found nothing to fight agaist their in official client...

There are even a lot of clients with no correct upload speed or lowid only because aren't able to set up emule correctly, even a new more automatic and easy startup wizard could be sufficent.
A lot of users prefer utorrent only because is more user friendly,emule had no new features after 2 years (?!?!?!?!?) ok, is the something but please help comunity to grow, no more users no more decent downloads...
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

View PostFrom 25 February 2012 - 01:39 PM:

No! :P Because there are about 800.000 users that user fake servers....and after they share faked files even in kad!
Fake server are online from very long time and...you haven't found nothing to fight agaist their in official client...

Sorry do disappoint you, but there are fake files in KAD as well. Killing ED2K network would only mean that anti-p2p fighters could focus their efforts in the remaining network. You will gain nothing.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:02 PM

I had no problem with fake files or malware they can be spotted easy if you using somthing called brain. <_<
But yes eMule could be easier for noobs more automated but remember there is no patch for stupidity. :shock:
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 06:33 AM

I don't why a lot of you keep saying there are no bugs in v0.50a.

Well, I know of at least one, but it's a HUGE one: The search is pretty much broken, and it imposes a Security Risk.

* A compromised server can feed the client false information that it didn't even search for, and does not even match the query filters used.
* Such responses can overwhelm and push out legitimate responses.

Due to the nature of how eMule updates the server listing, it is very likely that FAKE servers will make it to the list. The typically user would have to go thru very specific steps in order to rid his clients of FAKE servers, and then use a very specific configuration (which is not the default) to stop the fake servers from coming back into the list.

In other words, anyone using default settings is affected by this issue unless they do a "Workaround".

Imagine if someone found a way to fool internet search engines so that the search results, for whatever term searched, would link first to servers full of viruses, spywhere, etc. And page after page all you would see is all these fake responses and the first legitimate response is beyond page 10, or page 50, or page 100!

Only thing this "someone" has to do is create some web server of his own and wait. Shouldn't the provider of the search engine, fix the search engine so that the results are what the users originally searched for?

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eMule shouldn't take search results from the servers as authoritative information and should further enforce the filters used upon the response received.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:33 AM

Not a bug. The problem, as you rightfully assessed, is on the remote end. If a user still uses servers and possibly even updates his server list automatically from other clients and servers it is at his own risk. Applying some sort of filter is also not quite as simple and would be considered a feature. Still, using KAD-only and a bit of common sense there is little spam to worry about. Other than that, mark files as spam as you see them.

Also, your fix is not a fix, it's pointless babbling. Search results are processed as is. Nothing about authoritative information or whatever. In fact, if you blindly follow the search results you are in the wrong. This does not mean to say the situation is perfect and there is no room for improvement, it just means that this is not a bug. Also consider that Google sometimes even responds searches with harmful webpages and if you are not careful your machine is compromised more quickly than you can react.
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