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#1 User is offline   chess1953 

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Post icon  Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:30 AM

It gives me a list of 7 servers and 3 of these don't work. The working ones have a small number of users. Why aren't there more working servers?
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 09:49 AM

ed2k://|server|193.138.221.214|4242|/ Saugstube
ed2k://|server|193.138.221.213|4242|/ # eMule Serverlist Nr.1 #
ed2k://|server|193.138.221.210|4242|/ # eMule Serverlist Nr.2 #
Those 3 have been offline for a while now. I don't know if it's temporary (they've been under attack or something) or if it's permanent.

Afaik there's nothing wrong with the gruk list - it's not "hiding" good servers or something like that - there just aren't many good working servers around right now. You can try adding
www.UseNeXT.to 87.230.83.44:4661 from the peerates list, but that didn't work properly last time I tried it.

http://forum.emule-p...s...st&p=976721
I guess the servers will either "recover" or they won't. (popular trusted servers have "gone" before without ed2k dying) Just use the other ones gruk gave you and/or Kad for now.
Are we nearly there yet?
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#3 User is offline   chess1953 

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:10 AM

View Postxscarab, on Jul 22 2008, 12:49 PM, said:

I guess the servers will either "recover" or they won't. (popular trusted servers have "gone" before without ed2k dying) Just use the other ones gruk gave you and/or Kad for now.


Thanks for the answer mate. But only 4 small servers left ?!? It sounds like it's the end of the world as we know it and I don't feel fine.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:24 AM

There is little doubt that finally servers would be replaced by KAD.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:10 AM

i connect to KAD and ed2k (with 6 servers in list), I've been connected to eDS N1 for days without any problems

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:28 PM

I haven't had any problem either. Connected to eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245|4242) at the moment.

View Postfox88, on Jul 22 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

There is little doubt that finally servers would be replaced by KAD.

Agree, little doubt, and it shouldn't have bene such a big surprise afaik.

View Postlugdunummaster, on Jul 18 2008, 08:10 AM, said:

Forget about servers and use Kad.

View Postlugdunummaster, on Sep 25 2006, 08:54 AM, said:

Later, when it became obvious that edonkey/emule network still needed big servers because Kademlia clients were not yet ready, I wrote a 100% lugdunum implementation, in C language and with the right design. This was three years ago (Sep 2003).

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 12:56 PM

View Postgav616, on Jul 22 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

I've been connected to eDS N1 for days without any problems
Same here, but looks like it's getting a bit full now. Not sure how good the servers will be if the 2 EDSNo's go belly up too (when we lost RB2's, and the DonkeyServerNo's et al over the last few years, there were plenty of other good servers to take over - I don't think that is the case this time. Will there be no ed2k server window in an eMule .50a version? :unsure: Posted Image)

One of the problems I have with Kad, is that it gives me the spam/junk results that I don't get from good servers. (you know - when there's maybe 2 or 3 files available with the filename you're looking for - server search gives 2 results, maybe 2-3 availability, Kad suggests there are about 15 of them, all differing in filesize by just a few kB, and all having availability of about 700 lol) It's easy enough to deal with bad servers, by removing them from your list, but how do you deal with bad kad nodes?
Are we nearly there yet?
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 01:07 PM

i know KAD will take over one day but atm i try to be as fair as possible and try to stay connected to servers to allow as many clients as possible that can't use kad (mass udp connections) to have the chance in my queue.

its the same issue with obfuscation, i enable it but don't "allow only" that just seems to exclude a vast amount of clients that are willing to upload.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 03:54 PM

View PostNissenice, on Jul 22 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

I haven't had any problem either. Connected to eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245|4242) at the moment.


Me and my big mouth! <_<

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2008-07-22 16:58:18: Lost connection to eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245:4242)

2008-07-22 17:36:35: Connecting to eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245:443 - using Protocol Obfuscation) ...

2008-07-22 17:36:35:
eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245:4242) appears to be dead.

2008-07-22 17:36:35: Connecting to eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245:4242)...

2008-07-22 17:36:36:
eDonkeyServer No2 (77.247.178.245:4242) appears to be dead.

2008-07-22 17:36:42: Connecting to eDonkeyServer No1 (77.247.178.244:443 - using Protocol Obfuscation) ...

2008-07-22 17:36:43:
eDonkeyServer No1 (77.247.178.244:4242) appears to be dead.

2008-07-22 17:36:43: Connecting to eDonkeyServer No1 (77.247.178.244:4242)...

2008-07-22 17:36:44:
eDonkeyServer No1 (77.247.178.244:4242) appears to be dead.


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Posted 22 July 2008 - 06:42 PM

Hmm, looks like there's some sort of problem at http://www.gruk.org/list.php. I took a screenshot of the serverlist 5 hours ago and it hasn't changed...


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0% lowID users, 0 Max users. Version 46.49! :P
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 08:06 PM

View Postxscarab, on Jul 22 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Will there be no ed2k server window in an eMule .50a version?

Hopefully, as I've always found it a bit desorganised. More logical would be if ed2k and Kad were combined in a "network" window and the log and the my info stuff had an own window (yes I know this is totally offtopic and doesn't belong here :P )

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It's easy enough to deal with bad servers, by removing them from your list, but how do you deal with bad kad nodes?

I hope that with some Kad changes made in the current version the spam/fake results in Kad will decrease or be easier to identify (maybe the more people update).
From the 0.49a changelog:

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- Feb, 1. 2008 -
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.: Several changes have been made to improve kads resistance against malicious keyword publishing:
.: Kad now keeps track which filenames were published by different sources for the same file and uses the most common name (instead the last published one) when responding search requests
.: Same hashs (files) which have different filesizes are now properly stored seperatly instead overwriting eachother
.: Kad calculates a rating based on how many different sources publish a file and how many files publishes a source. When responding to a search request, files with a rating below a set limit will be sent last in order to avoid that spammed files push out valid ones.
.: The Kad rating for published files is also sent in search results to be used in the future version as indicator


And now really back to topic ;) :

View Postchess1953, on Jul 22 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

But only 4 small servers left ?!? It sounds like it's the end of the world as we know it and I don't feel fine.

There are more than 4 servers left. In the peerates list there are currently 10 servers and all seem to be working. (Although some of them may be full). Also it seems that some servers are only temporarily off, e.g. the 2 eDonkey Servers did work for me the last days.

Maybe the peerates list has some servers that aren't on the gruk list (I didn't check this), so you might want to use it, too.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 01:00 PM

Thanks for the answers guys. I added a couple more servers from the peerates list.

To be honest, I worry because if all servers die people may move to other networks rather than using only KAD. Hope that never happens.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 02:43 PM

Yup, eDonkeyServers and SausageTube are gone.
www.usenext.to has the highest user count, but they are faking it. There are two no1.eserver.emule.org.cn (diff IPs) with lots of users.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 06:33 PM

View Postericg, on Jul 24 2008, 06:43 PM, said:

Yup, eDonkeyServers and SausageTube are gone.
www.usenext.to has the highest user count, but they are faking it. There are two no1.eserver.emule.org.cn (diff IPs) with lots of users.
Saugstube returned. And I do not think UseNext is faking user count.
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Posted 25 July 2008 - 02:36 AM

Presently the few servers left in Gruk's list are crap! This includes Peerates and Saugstube. I get NOTHING but spam when I do a search on ED2K.... as much as 200 at a time. I've disconnected from ED2K and I'm exclusively using KAD. If it gets much worst I'm back to bit torrent. Everyone have a nice weekend!
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Posted 25 July 2008 - 09:04 PM

View Postcargo0d, on Jul 25 2008, 06:36 AM, said:

Presently the few servers left in Gruk's list are crap! This includes Peerates and Saugstube.
If you use the list with fakes, don't blame real servers for your troubles. Try to use fresh IP filter to get rid of fakes... at least, most of them.
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 01:34 AM

View Postfox88, on Jul 25 2008, 09:04 PM, said:

View Postcargo0d, on Jul 25 2008, 06:36 AM, said:

Presently the few servers left in Gruk's list are crap! This includes Peerates and Saugstube.
If you use the list with fakes, don't blame real servers for your troubles. Try to use fresh IP filter to get rid of fakes... at least, most of them.

Fox88, you are absolutely correct about the ip filter. I have recently switched from using eMule on a PC to aMule on a Mac and was using an ip filter offered by Sourceforge for aMule that updates monthly. Anyhow, I switched to a filter offered by Bluetack and now I’m not getting any spam. It was the filter and not the servers that was crap. Thank you for the response. I’m now happily aMuling away. Have a great weekend!

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