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#1 User is offline   satanedonkeyserver 

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 03:14 PM

http://satan-edonkey-server.org

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 03:34 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 19 2007, 03:14 PM, said:



Never heard of this server-software before, how old is this project?
In case this is fresh new then I think it is quite a strange moment.(IMHO)
I hope a bunch of hackers 'll look into your machine code to see if always is right. ;)
I'm always suspicious. :flowers:

You have translated your page in tons of languages, ( http://satan-edonkey...a...ite=0&sub=0 :respect: ),
you look like a well funded enterprise.
Hope you are nice guys.

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 03:44 PM

Well, there are enough devs, modders and programmers with ed2k server knowledge, that can run this in a controlled environment (VM) and see if there is any suspicious activity ...

I won't run this until they give a "go".
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 03:54 PM

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Never heard of this server-software before, how old is this project?


We launched it today.

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In case this is fresh new then I think it is quite a strange moment.(IMHO)

Why ?

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You have translated your page in tons of languages,
you look like a well funded enterprise.


Enterprise ... not at all - just a bunch of programmers having fun ....

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Hope you are nice guys.

Yes, we are .... except one of us - it's a girl :=)

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 06:23 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 19 2007, 03:54 PM, said:

Yes, we are .... except one of us - it's a girl :=)


Which makes it even more suspicous :)

But honestly: It is sure a nice thing to have more than one serversoftware available, just like it is better to have more than one client for the edoneky network. However, it is not very surprising that your software is seen critical on a first look, questioning its integrity. After all you cannot code such software within some hours, there is a profound knowledge of the protocol, database storage and other areas needed, so such projects in general don't appear over night. Given that you do not offer any sources to check it, offer no explanation who your guys are and why you do this coding and the appearance of the website (name, translations, fake whois data) don't make it easier tu win trust.

But again, i'm not claiming anything, i haven't looked into your software yet and if you are indeed just trying to offer an alternative server software than we are happy about this too. Just pointing out that the start is a bit... not perfectly staged.

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 06:38 PM

Usually p2p devs are active on forums before they're releasing anything right? Add the given situation of servers being attacked by the music industry and you have a higly suspicious new server software.
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 06:53 PM

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Which makes it even more suspicous :)


:=). And she is beautifull too!


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However, it is not very surprising that your software is seen critical on a first look, questioning its integrity.

Yes, we took this into account while discussing the 'closed'-source vs. 'open-source' issue. We think
we can reach (after a long period of time) a trusty community.

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After all you cannot code such software within some hours, there is a profound knowledge of the protocol, database storage and other areas needed, so such projects in general don't appear over night.


We have been working on this for several months and wanted to make it perfectly as we can. We got a protocoll description by some guys (posted by/from israel university) and the rest of it we have read from the mule source code.

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Given that you do not offer any sources to check it,

We live in a hostile world !

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offer no explanation who your guys are

Keep in mind that we cannot pay a 30 millions bill like edonkey2000-server company has done to some industies.
We are a group located in germany. That's all the world will ever know about us (internal agreement of our team).

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and why you do this coding

Fun & fame. And we would like to "move something" in our live (sorry - in german language it sounds correct)

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and the appearance of the website (name, translations, fake whois data)

We want to prove that we are no beginners. That's why (for example) we decided to provide a java-port for all other plattforms. We plan to compile our software on other plattforms like hp-ux and solaris but this needs more time....

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don't make it easier tu win trust.

Trust is something to gain/reach and not to win.

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But again, i'm not claiming anything, i haven't looked into your software yet and if you are indeed just trying to offer an alternative server software than we are happy about this too.


You are welcome to test/discuss the features and so on ....

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Just pointing out that the start is a bit... not perfectly staged.

Don't understand this wording .... please explain it once again...

This post has been edited by satanedonkeyserver: 19 September 2007 - 06:57 PM


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Posted 19 September 2007 - 07:00 PM

Hi everyone

Bad weather for the eD2k network, genuine servers close, and others appear of the anything.
On the contrary, favorable winds blow, for the fake servers spreads, false prophets, perhaps manages by anti-p2p stuff.

I also hope that you've genuine intentions, to the network eD2k and its users.

bye
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Post icon  Posted 19 September 2007 - 08:21 PM

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We live in a hostile world


First of all, someone has to check if your new eserver is free of any backdoor, remote access functionality, unknown logging and unknown protocolchanges. How should someone be able to do this without having the full sources?

So i think it is better to use today's release of the secure lugdunumserver.
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 08:54 PM

I suggest you open the source code to the devs and trusted modders for checking.
They should have proven themselves trustworthy by now.
Maybe you can come to a non-disclosure agreement to keep your server software closed source.

That should earn you a lot of trust from the community.
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Posted 19 September 2007 - 09:27 PM

View Postqm2003, on Sep 19 2007, 08:54 PM, said:

I suggest you open the source code to the devs and trusted modders for checking.
They should have proven themselves trustworthy by now.
That should earn you a lot of trust from the community.


Yes. We will do that.

Who do you suggest ?

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Maybe you can come to a non-disclosure agreement to keep your server software closed source.


That's not nessesary.

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Posted 19 September 2007 - 09:31 PM

lies lies it all lies i tell ya , run run for the hills !!!!!! well only if you download copyrighted stuff :-k
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 11:58 AM

@satan: I suggest giving the source to SomeSupport, 'cause he's eMule's Main dev.
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 02:14 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 19 2007, 11:27 PM, said:

View Postqm2003, on Sep 19 2007, 08:54 PM, said:

I suggest you open the source code to the devs and trusted modders for checking.
They should have proven themselves trustworthy by now.
That should earn you a lot of trust from the community.


Yes. We will do that.

Who do you suggest ?


Some Support and Kry
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 03:58 PM

View PostMasta2002, on Sep 20 2007, 02:14 PM, said:

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 19 2007, 11:27 PM, said:

Who do you suggest ?


Some Support and Kry
And lugdunummaster maybe.
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 06:48 PM

View PostMasta2002, on Sep 20 2007, 02:14 PM, said:

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 19 2007, 11:27 PM, said:

View Postqm2003, on Sep 19 2007, 08:54 PM, said:

I suggest you open the source code to the devs and trusted modders for checking.
They should have proven themselves trustworthy by now.
That should earn you a lot of trust from the community.


Yes. We will do that.

Who do you suggest ?


Some Support and Kry


We send emails to thease guys (leuk,kry, info@emule-project.net ) for giving them
our cvs server account - but no response until yet ....

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 06:53 PM

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lugdunummaster


Could someone give us his email-adress (via PM to info@satan-edonkey-server.org)

Because the 'official' one (lugdunum69@hotmail.com) from his web-page seems to be not used by him.
(We send some eMails a few months ago to him - no feedback at all :-(

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 09:52 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 20 2007, 08:48 PM, said:

We send emails to thease guys (leuk,kry, info@emule-project.net ) for giving them
our cvs server account - but no response until yet ....



Yeah, i got it now. Java & c++ version checked out. No time left today for source digging.
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Posted 20 September 2007 - 10:02 PM

View Postsatanedonkeyserver, on Sep 20 2007, 08:53 PM, said:

Could someone give us his email-adress (via PM to info@satan-edonkey-server.org)

Because the 'official' one (lugdunum69@hotmail.com) from his web-page seems to be not used by him.
(We send some eMails a few months ago to him - no feedback at all :-(


try to write him a PM here on the board

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Posted 20 September 2007 - 11:06 PM

You come out from nowhere, never been discussed or asked the developers here anything on the board and Closed Source and you want to stay anonymus. This all seams really strange. Also a very bad time to come up with this strange news because more and more servers got shut down (because of legal stupid german laws, not becuase of software reasons). Also no beta tests has been done with that software.

I don`t see a single reason to for anyone to switch to your software. Time has proven that Closed Source, obsfucation and licenses can`t stop crackers from reverse engeneering and finding remote exploitable bugs.

This project is kinda wasted. You could have been either made some Open Source alternative, fork some server/client or contribute to some project.

I really see any advantages not to announce this project more early. Also no point to give such software free of charge, but protected source.
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