[southerncross]

i was using latest version of Neomule (based on 047a) when i got this message on a search on donkey servers...

the only way to get full use of the servers is using 047c with obfuscation enabled, now:

- is it not a little bit soon to force people to switch to 047c, i think a huge part of the network is still on 047a (clearly i've not valid data to say this, just guessing)? won't it make less troubles just waiting people to migrate to the new core naturally, before forcing old-core-die-harders?

- you have to connect to the server with obfuscation enabled or else you would be threated as an old client... the problem is that emule 's got obfuscation disabled by default, so i guess it's a problem for many many 0.47c users too, i think not everyone will understand what's happening...

i know eMu-pro has got no control on the ed2k-servers, but i'm just looking for answers by someone which knows something more than i do...

bye

This post has been edited by southerncross: 04 October 2006 - 03:07 PM

[Andu]

southerncross, on Oct 4 2006, 05:02 PM, said:

- you have to connect to the server with obfuscation enabled or else you would be threated as an old client... the problem is that emule 's got obfuscation disabled by default, so i guess it's a problem for many many 0.47c users too, i think not everyone will understand what's happening...

That's wrong. I'm using a 0.47c based mod with PO disabled and don't get any messages by the servers. And I tend to join Donkeyservers which are said to be rather strict.

I think what people with trouble should do is delete all servers in their list and readd it from corpo or gruk.org.

[Pachnes]

No. he is right. Also the Web-Service "ed2kHistory Power" does not work anymore. It seems to me, that a few servers are configured now, that they only accept a file-search from clients, which use obfuscation.

[Andu]

Pachnes, on Oct 4 2006, 06:49 PM, said:

No. he is right. Also the Web-Service "ed2kHistory Power" does not work anymore. It seems to me, that a few servers are configured now, that they only accept a file-search from clients, which use obfuscation.

HE CAN'T BE RIGHT IF IT'S WORKING FOR MOST OF US.

Seriously some people need a reality check.

[lugdunummaster]

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I think what people with trouble should do is delete all servers in their list and readd it from corpo or gruk.org.

I am not sure... If I understand well, when you refresh your server list from scratch, you automatically destroy some private info (security parameters) that are used to send obfuscated frames to servers.

Emule has to send a special frame to each 'new server' to get its security info.

When your emule connects to a server, without knowning its ofuscated parameters, it cannot use obfuscation.
As soon clear connection is established, client learns the obfuscated parameters. (Basically the ofuscated tcp port number of the server).

But you have to disconnect/reconnect to the server for emule trying an obfuscated connection (if you check "Enable obfuscation" in your security settings)

[aalerich]

@ Andu:

He is right. If I enable obfuscation before connecting the connection will be obfuscated. Closing emule and restoring the default settings before restart establishes an un-obfuscated connection again.

@ lugdunummaster:

What is the benefit of this? It causes additional overhead, at least until we have a feature to obfuscate only the connection with the server.

Kind Regards
aalerich

[Firnus]

Andu, on Oct 4 2006, 04:32 PM, said:

That's wrong. I'm using a 0.47c based mod with PO disabled and don't get any messages by the servers. And I tend to join Donkeyservers which are said to be rather strict.

I think what people with trouble should do is delete all servers in their list and readd it from corpo or gruk.org.

Hello,

I made a lot of test for this.

If i enable obfuscation: all is OK.

If i desable obfuscation: there are problem.
I remove server.met , it's OK 1 time, and after disconnexion it's bad ....
etc etc ...

Actuelly at this time:
It's OK on DSn°1 and 2 , but BAD on 3.

There are more and more people who had this problem , and not only newbie .....

Did you test searching to all DS server one by one ?

[EvolutionCrazy]

aalerich, on Oct 5 2006, 01:58 AM, said:

@ lugdunummaster:

What is the benefit of this? It causes additional overhead, at least until we have a feature to obfuscate only the connection with the server.

Kind Regards
aalerich

clear the network from fake and old clients?

i can understand what's going on...

if i were a server admin with my server hammered by all those crappy clients that fake their data saying they are emule 47a (but are based on shareaza code...) i would immediatly blocks all those clients whithout banning the whole china

and there are a lot of other bads clients the aren't capable to use PO... and that with PO they will die...
i'm referring to a software being developed within the Italian Postal Police... they sniff the connection while using a standard emule... sniffing with PO is unusefull
ref: _http://grassogennaro.blogspot.com/2006/09/screenshot-demo-bigserch.html
at that point when using PO that software will be unusable... and they will need to start coding and working on the real emule sources building dedicated clients... and that falls under "spionage"... they need to masquer themself as "infringers"... and i'm not sure if that can be done with copyright... (for sure is possibile in case of drugs and pedo...)

This post has been edited by EvolutionCrazy: 05 October 2006 - 09:54 AM

[LeMoi]

Anyway i'm still with a 0.47a mule (since latest Morph build has crappy PS management), and i cannot use Global Search since i quickly have this answer :/

[Pijuvwy]

"Please use eMule 0.47c and enable protocol obfuscation to get results from this server"

That's a search result - in fact, that's the ONLY result I got on that search.

So I think the "it's working for me therefore it is not A PROBLEM" attitude is a huge pile of shit.

[EvolutionCrazy]

Pijuvwy, on Oct 5 2006, 05:06 PM, said:

That's a search result - in fact, that's the ONLY result I got on that search.

you have 2 possibilities:

1) change server

2) if you want still use that server: do exactly what it ask: use a 0.47c client with protocol obfuscatione enabled...

what's the problem? :S

[ferengi-x]

The problem is: it does not work. Say what you will, it does not work at all. Enabled or not.
This thing is buggy.

[EvolutionCrazy]

ferengi-x, on Oct 6 2006, 10:51 PM, said:

This thing is buggy.

ah ok, got it.

but.... what is buggy?
the server software, emule, your router, your isp, ... whatever...? :S

This post has been edited by EvolutionCrazy: 06 October 2006 - 09:44 PM

[asite]

I am using emule 0.47a ，I can use global search，Although just display about 300 reslults at most。

[Stoepsel]

asite, on Oct 8 2006, 03:02 PM, said:

Although just display about 300 reslults at most。

And that's not a bug, it's a feature.

[Pijuvwy]

EvolutionCrazy, on Oct 6 2006, 01:42 AM, said:

Pijuvwy, on Oct 5 2006, 05:06 PM, said:

That's a search result - in fact, that's the ONLY result I got on that search.

you have 2 possibilities:

1) change server

2) if you want still use that server: do exactly what it ask: use a 0.47c client with protocol obfuscatione enabled...

what's the problem? :S

That was a search across all servers. But that's beside the point.

Here's my problem:

"HE CAN'T BE RIGHT IF IT'S WORKING FOR MOST OF US.
Seriously some people need a reality check."


The situation DOES exist on at least some servers, so it's a valid topic for discussion. Some people need a reality check.

This post has been edited by Pijuvwy: 08 October 2006 - 11:28 PM

[Andu]

Pijuvwy, on Oct 9 2006, 01:24 AM, said:

EvolutionCrazy, on Oct 6 2006, 01:42 AM, said:

Pijuvwy, on Oct 5 2006, 05:06 PM, said:

That's a search result - in fact, that's the ONLY result I got on that search.

you have 2 possibilities:

1) change server

2) if you want still use that server: do exactly what it ask: use a 0.47c client with protocol obfuscatione enabled...

what's the problem? :S

That was a search across all servers. But that's beside the point.

Here's my problem:

"HE CAN'T BE RIGHT IF IT'S WORKING FOR MOST OF US.
Seriously some people need a reality check."


The situation DOES exist on at least some servers, so it's a valid topic for discussion. Some people need a reality check.

There is a difference between a bug which is specific for some people and a general 'it does not work' which you were claiming. Ergo my statement is still correct.

Please don't try to be funny using lines that others use. That makes you look immature not funny.

[xnorf]

@asite: Try the [More] Button...

[reyfer]

EvolutionCrazy, on Oct 5 2006, 11:42 AM, said:

Pijuvwy, on Oct 5 2006, 05:06 PM, said:

That's a search result - in fact, that's the ONLY result I got on that search.

you have 2 possibilities:

1) change server

2) if you want still use that server: do exactly what it ask: use a 0.47c client with protocol obfuscatione enabled...

what's the problem? :S

The problem is that these servers (DonkeyServer 1 and 2) are forcing people to use a specific client, and that should not be allowed. What about people that use Linux instead of Windows, and can't install eMule? I use MLDonkey core at home, with the Sancho GUI, and now I can't use those servers because they ask me for a specific client. What is going to happen to all Linux users when all servers force you to use only eMule? If the server SUGGESTS me to turn on PO, and my client has it, it's fine. But what these servers are doing, as I said, is forcing you to use a specific client, and that's bullshit.

[Esel4711]

The servers are offering their service for free. Follow their rules or don't use them...