[pav4u]

well... wc is stil working good for me (up to 80% of all download) ... so I voted YES

pav4u

[DavidXanatos]

Please realise that WC can not be "left as it is" it needs permanent updating for example when the official cleint updates, it needs work to let it as it is. Additionally the current implementation is still not clean

[Stulle]

and remember that only a very few users use the feature as intended and all the rest is abusing the feature and alien proxies. this is another major reason against continuing WC!

[PacoBell]

Yeah, it really should be dropped in future versions. Those who still need it can still use an older client.

[nicknick]

if to use webcache. to send (release) archives is very important and effective having this option. much more fast share and in less time...




If the people abuse webcache

Only Activate webcache if source complete(100%) is < 5




Nicknick

[Stulle]

nicknick, on May 24 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

if to use webcache. to send (release) archives is very important and effective having this option. much more fast share and in less time...




If the people abuse webcache

Only Activate webcache if source complete(100%) is < 5




Nicknick

that will not reduce the abuse of open proxies.

[Sebastor]

Stulle, on May 24 2007, 05:00 PM, said:

nicknick, on May 24 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

if to use webcache. to send (release) archives is very important and effective having this option. much more fast share and in less time...




If the people abuse webcache

Only Activate webcache if source complete(100%) is < 5




Nicknick

that will not reduce the abuse of open proxies.

But if they do not want that they are used proxy they close. They are only used proxy open. We do not make anything illegal

[Andu]

Have you read their ToS or asked for permission? Just because there is an open proxy doesn't mean that you can just use it as you wish. If I log into an open WLAN without permission I can get into trouble because of that.

[Frankie4]

Simply no...

[Xman1]

also a good poll would be "who is using webcache in the regular way (without abusing open proxies)"

[Stulle]

Xman1, on May 25 2007, 06:06 AM, said:

also a good poll would be "who is using webcache in the regular way (without abusing open proxies)"

haha damned right!

[leuk_he]

guijarrelson, on May 24 2007, 09:11 PM, said:

webcache has evolved much in the time that takes assets, like now throwing all the effort that has been used in that utility...

Hmm, i am afraid that is not a valid argument.
-Webcache code is still a ugly hack (in code arguments, in theory it is a fine tool)
-It still has some major bugs:
-Test does not test if the proxy is a passthrourgh or really caching.
-Hanging connections that take very long to timeout.
-95% of the users do not use isp proxy, but a public proxy.
-autodetect table has not been updated for a long time.

In theory it is possible to solve all this, but i personally would like to spend my time elsewhere(i have some great features in mind ). The question resulting from this is to either levae this half implementation or spend the time on other developement.

I do have some other idea how some extra bandwith can be wringed out of internet...
-ipv6 multicast
-http (/ftp) source exchange with some pretection against DDOS http servers.

Nobody is forcing you to upgrade to a new emule version, so you can still use the old version if you really really need webcache.

[LorenzoC]

leuk_he, on May 25 2007, 10:40 AM, said:

-95% of the users do not use isp proxy, but a public proxy.
In theory it is possible to solve all this...

Really? How??

Regards.

[spyras]

leuk_he, on May 25 2007, 09:40 AM, said:

Hmm, i am afraid that is not a valid argument.
-Webcache code is still a ugly hack (in code arguments, in theory it is a fine tool)
-It still has some major bugs:
-Test does not test if the proxy is a passthrourgh or really caching.
-Hanging connections that take very long to timeout.
-95% of the users do not use isp proxy, but a public proxy.
-autodetect table has not been updated for a long time.

In theory it is possible to solve all this, but i personally would like to spend my time elsewhere(i have some great features in mind ). The question resulting from this is to either levae this half implementation or spend the time on other developement.

I do have some other idea how some extra bandwith can be wringed out of internet...
-ipv6 multicast
-http (/ftp) source exchange with some pretection against DDOS http servers.

Nobody is forcing you to upgrade to a new emule version, so you can still use the old version if you really really need webcache.

You’re saying that there is lot of bugs I cant deny that your laying
I’m not dev, but I’m uploader. I see how much does the WC help me in releasing. e.g.: i have 1mbit upload, so i did some tests.
When I release DVD WITH wc i spread it among the others in 1-2 days (uploading 9-10GB - in case that there is about 60-100 ppl who downloading it). When i do it WITHOUT WC I need 20-30 GB and 3-4 days to have the same effects (case is the same as above)?
Is it a difference? Please look at the problem from RELEASER point of view (not from developer, who has a lot of problem with code to solve).
Why do you worry about public proxy? - they can manage with the traffic from ed2k network. If they don’t, admins can block this traffic (and they do - I know it because some ppl report that).
So, if you have another solution how to speed up releasing I’m open on it.
If you’re saying that I can still use older version of emule (with wc) - you’re still right, but why i have to be 'the worse" one.

BTW: In case of hanging connections: I haven’t seen this kind of behavior. e.g.: on 10000 wc sessions i have 9995 successful.

spyras

This post has been edited by spyras: 25 May 2007 - 10:20 AM

[LorenzoC]

I find very amusing that "releasing" is the every time excuse for ALL THE BAD FEATURES existing.

You miss the main point: WebCache was never meant to help releasing, just to use INSIDE bandwith in the ISP networks instead of outside bandwith (more expensive for the ISP then there is usually less available). So if WebCache could work as intended, you would "release" only to people with your ISP connection and who are using the same proxy.

More silly people come here crying for the WebCache, admitting they are abusing Open Proxies and more becomes obvious why it MUST be removed.

Of course, it is up to the modders.

Edit: correction.

This post has been edited by LorenzoC: 25 May 2007 - 11:20 AM

[Stulle]

you are abusing the feature. this is to be stopped. thus next morphxt, next stullemule and next scarangel will surely be released WITHOUT webcache.

remind yourself about spikes post and guess how long it will take until it dies. one thing is certain, it will die sooner or later it all depends on the users sticking to older, possibly buggy versions!

greets stulle

[DavidXanatos]

The next neo will also be relised without WC.

David

[spyras]

LorenzoC, on May 25 2007, 11:43 AM, said:

I find very amusing that "releasing" is the every time excuse for ALL THE BAD FEATURES existing.

It's your point of view. In my mind ITS GOOD FEATURE.
So in this case what for was the poll?
Till now most of the ppl want to keep wc and you say: go to hell, ill do what i want (and throw the wc away)
Im asking again: why do you worry about open proxies? Do you pay for it? Do you have prb with traffic?
Even if WC was not the feature was never designe to help releasing in fact it does.

spyras

This post has been edited by spyras: 25 May 2007 - 12:30 PM

[Xman1]

the poll makes sence...
if there would be a lot of people who say "I still have good results with the proxy of my ISP" it would be kept.
But most of the people who voted for webcache are using public proxies.

My last statement (http://forum.emule-project.net/index.php?showtopic=124737&view=findpost&p=887374) was of course a bit of irony... but also a summarize of the "yes"-voter.

[Stulle]

we as modders have responsibility for the software we publish. so if you exploit webcache and abuse open proxies it's a matter we have to be concerned about.

we are not as short sighted as some of our beloved mod users, so we finally remove it. i think spike will accompany us and with the major uptodate WC mods abandoning WC we will see how long you keep up your abusive behaviour towards open proxies.